Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Oy. Yes, we have discussed this before. Heart also means innermost being, which would include all aspects.
I agree, and Jesus confirmed this in Mark 7:21: "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts."
Cameron and I discussed this somewhat at length in a thread of his here (<= link).
I agree, and Jesus confirmed this in Mark 7:21: "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts."
Cameron and I discussed this somewhat at length in a thread of his here (<= link).
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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.
Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Vs 43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Vs 43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
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Hear is hearing. Biblical hearing? Spiritual hearing? Are you joking? Is "spiritual hearing" an unknown gift of the Spirit?
Ephesians 2:8-9, " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."
Ephesians 2:8-9, " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."
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I agree, and Jesus confirmed this in Mark 7:21: "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts."
Cameron and I discussed this somewhat at length in a thread of his here (<= link).
Cameron and I discussed this somewhat at length in a thread of his here (<= link).
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That's only for the Disciples. They also were given the ability to go and heal before anyone else and do the same thing Jesus did. The Disciples were specifically chosen people to do the works of Jesus. You don't even take anything into context. Had you been there you would not have understood either. It was only for the Disciples to know because they were the Ones being trained.
No one but Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit at that time. So the Disciples were given special permissions from God. They healed the same miracles without the being full of the Spirit. You could never do that without being filled with the Holy Spirit and they did because they were the CHOSEN Ones to spread the Gospel.
Jesus even says in Matthew 13 “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not.
This is a one time special thing and had any of us been there we would have been the "others are not permitted."
The fact this verse is wrongly used in Reformed doctrine just shows they don't have a clue about the Bible and what Jesus said in that verse.
This is a one time special thing and had any of us been there we would have been the "others are not permitted."
The fact this verse is wrongly used in Reformed doctrine just shows they don't have a clue about the Bible and what Jesus said in that verse.
The theology of John Calvin contends that before the foundation of the world, God elected certain ones (both angels and men) to be saved, and others to be lost.
There is no biblical basis for this. In the opening remarks of his first letter to the brethren at Thessalonica, Paul makes an interesting comment which helps put this topic into proper focus.
“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace. We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before our God and Father; knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election, how that our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake” (1 Thes. 1:1-5).
In verse four, the apostle reminds them of their “election.” The original term merely denotes one who has been selected. The nature of the selection must be determined by additional information.
In this instance, the context clarifies the matter. The election was effected through the proclamation of the gospel and these folks’ acceptance of the same.
Underline “election” (v. 4), and “gospel” (v. 5), and connect the two words with a line. Marginally note: Election is through acceptance of the gospel.
This is further corroborated by a statement in Paul’s second letter to these same Christians: “... he [God] called you through the gospel ...” (2 Thes. 2:14).
The Bible knows nothing of an arbitrary divine election separate from human responsibility.
There is no biblical basis for this. In the opening remarks of his first letter to the brethren at Thessalonica, Paul makes an interesting comment which helps put this topic into proper focus.
“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace. We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before our God and Father; knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election, how that our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake” (1 Thes. 1:1-5).
In verse four, the apostle reminds them of their “election.” The original term merely denotes one who has been selected. The nature of the selection must be determined by additional information.
In this instance, the context clarifies the matter. The election was effected through the proclamation of the gospel and these folks’ acceptance of the same.
Underline “election” (v. 4), and “gospel” (v. 5), and connect the two words with a line. Marginally note: Election is through acceptance of the gospel.
This is further corroborated by a statement in Paul’s second letter to these same Christians: “... he [God] called you through the gospel ...” (2 Thes. 2:14).
The Bible knows nothing of an arbitrary divine election separate from human responsibility.
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