What if you die before water baptism?

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Thunderrr-mental said:
this is your personal experience, and it would be a joke to use your personal experience as to how people are saved,

Have a good day sir
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Personal experience?

It is a joke to try to accuse someone falsley of what really happened.

it was not my personal experience, it is what God said

paul said in John 6, I was baptized INTO CHRIST (not water) and INTO HIS DEATH (not water)

Paul said in 1 Cor 12 that I was baptized into his Body,( not in water)

payl said in Gal 3. i was baptized into Christ. (not in water.)

But you go right on ahead and believe what you want.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Personal experience?

It is a joke to try to accuse someone falsley of what really happened.

it was not my personal experience, it is what God said

paul said in John 6, I was baptized INTO CHRIST (not water) and INTO HIS DEATH (not water)

Paul said in 1 Cor 12 that I was baptized into his Body,( not in water)

payl said in Gal 3. i was baptized into Christ. (not in water.)

But you go right on ahead and believe what you want.
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it's a funny thing ive just posted Galatians 3 in another thread which declares you are a prisoner of sin until your baptized in to Christ.

Well being Baptised into Christ is to be baptised in water.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
it's a funny thing ive just posted Galatians 3 in another thread which declares you are a prisoner of sin until your baptized in to Christ.

Well. being Baptised into Christ is to be baptised in water
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"being Baptised into Christ is to be baptised in water"

Lets look at this

The greek word baptizo (from where the enlish word baptize was transliterated (notice it was not translated) from ) means to be immersed into. to be placed into. to be aligned with, to be overwhelmes with

Paul said I was baptized (immersed, or placed into) Christ.

You said this is equal to being baptized into water

what does reality say

To be immersed in water is to be immersed in a liquid where you get wet.

To be immersed into Christ is to be placed into Jesus. and is totally different than being immersed in water.

so no my frie3nd. they are not the same.
 
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jamessb said:
Re the OP: What if you die before water baptism?

Absolutely nothing different than if you die after water baptism.
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Amen,

If your not baptized with the spirit. Your not saved, If you were. you are saved.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
"being Baptised into Christ is to be baptised in water"

Lets look at this

The greek word baptizo (from where the enlish word baptize was transliterated (notice it was not translated) from ) means to be immersed into. to be placed into. to be aligned with, to be overwhelmes with

Paul said I was baptized (immersed, or placed into) Christ.

You said this is equal to being baptized into water

what does reality say

To be immersed in water is to be immersed in a liquid where you get wet.

To be immersed into Christ is to be placed into Jesus. and is totally different than being immersed in water.

so no my frie3nd. they are not the same.
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noooooo You are baptised with the holy spirit into water , what ever gave you the impression the water saves you or is just liquid

You are saved by the holy spirit baptizing you into water.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
noooooo You are baptised with the holy spirit into water , what ever gave you the impression the water saves you or is just liquid
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lol.. I am not sure who told you this. But this is not true

I was baptized by my pastor into water.

I was baptized by the HS into Christ.

You are saved by the holy spirit baptizing you into water.
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No I was not.. No one will be saved this way.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol.. I am not sure who told you this. But this is not true

I was baptized by my pastor into water.

I was baptized by the HS into Christ.


No I was not.. No one will be saved this way.
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if your not baptised with the holy spirit into water, then you where more than likely nap tised 😋
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
if your not baptised with the holy spirit into water, then you where more than likely nap tised 😋
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I was baptized by the HS into God.

The HS does not baptize anyone into water, Your pastor or discipler does.

If yuor not baptized by the HS into Christ. Your not his child.. your still dead in your sin.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I was baptized by the HS into God.

The HS does not baptize anyone into water, Your pastor or discipler does.

If yuor not baptized by the HS into Christ. Your not his child.. your still dead in your sin.
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so are you saying when your baptised into water you don't have the spirit already in you.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
That would be odd since the spirit entered me a year before I was immersed in water.
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oh gee wizz

Do you know the scripture that says they have the Holy Spirit. And then they where ordered to be baptized in water.

Do you know the scripture that says the seed can leave you before your saved.

Do you know the scripture where the spirit brings life to water.

 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
oh gee wizz

Do you know the scripture that says they have the Holy Spirit. And then they where ordered to be baptized in water.

Do you know the scripture that says the seed can leave you before your saved.

Do you know the scripture where the spirit brings life to water.

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Do you know the spirit that says Jesus will baptize with the HS?

Do you know the scripture where it is said we are saved BY GRACE? Not works?

Do you know the scripture where it says I was cleansed not by the hands of man but the hand of God through spiritual baptism?

Your pastor can not take you back 2000 years and baptize you into christ and his death. Only God can do this

Stop taking credit away from God. that is blasphemy
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Do you know the spirit that says Jesus will baptize with the HS?

Do you know the scripture where it is said we are saved BY GRACE? Not works?

Do you know the scripture where it says I was cleansed not by the hands of man but the hand of God through spiritual baptism?

Your pastor can not take you back 2000 years and baptize you into christ and his death. Only God can do this

Stop taking credit away from God. that is blasphemy
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John 5:4-8 New King James Version (NKJV)For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well

 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
John 5:4-8 New King James Version (NKJV)For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well

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do you know that is missing from some ancient texts?

But it does nt matter, Physical healing is not the same as spiritual healing

I can be physically healed all day. But if I an not spiritually healed I will go to hell.

This is not a weak subject my friend, Your eternity and mine is dependent on getting this right.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Do you know the spirit that says Jesus will baptize with the HS?

Do you know the scripture where it is said we are saved BY GRACE? Not works?

Do you know the scripture where it says I was cleansed not by the hands of man but the hand of God through spiritual baptism?

Your pastor can not take you back 2000 years and baptize you into christ and his death. Only God can do this

Stop taking credit away from God. that is blasphemy
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your twisting what I'm being led to say, after speaking to the lord into be something that you want to be seen as my understanding only.

Everything I'm posting is from the lord, where as your posting insults

Legalism and accusations

Opinions and rudeness.

The spirit gives life to water

 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Do you know the spirit that says Jesus will baptize with the HS?

Do you know the scripture where it is said we are saved BY GRACE? Not works?

Do you know the scripture where it says I was cleansed not by the hands of man but the hand of God through spiritual baptism?

Your pastor can not take you back 2000 years and baptize you into christ and his death. Only God can do this

Stop taking credit away from God. that is blasphemy
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I was not talking about the pastor saving you in baptism

I was talking about the Holy spirit saving you in baptism,


Acts 10

Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

They where baptised with the Holy spirit.

Which means you as well.

You had the Holy spirit a seed in your heart the holy spirit baptised you in water to save you. So you could receive the gift of the Holy spirit,

It doesn't have to be a pastor that baptises you, it can just be another saved person.

The person is a witness 😊 the spirit in him is Christ, Christ is baptising you
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
your twisting what I'm being led to say, after speaking to the lord into be something that you want to be seen as my understanding only.

Everything I'm posting is from the lord, where as your posting insults

Legalism and accusations

Opinions and rudeness.

The spirit gives life to water

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My friend

I do not know what voices you are hearing. But its not the voice of God.

God would not blaspheme himself.
 
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Stan_the_Man said:
Knowingly being disobedient is much different than making mistakes.





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Stop excusing your own sin

The penalty of SIN is death.. James said if we even sin by accident, we are guilty of the law.

Pharisees tries it your way, They ended up crucifying Christ because he called them out. You need to look inside..
 
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