Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

I noticed no one has mentioned this verse at all.
For those who claim God is selective I definitely understand why YOU would not want this scripture revealed.
For those who believe God Died on the Cross fro everyone, LEARN this verse.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.

Not just the Elect, not just the predestined, but for ALL PEOPLE!

 

[brightfame52]

I noticed no one has mentioned this verse at all.
For those who claim God is selective I definitely understand why YOU would not want this scripture revealed.
For those who believe God Died on the Cross fro everyone, LEARN this verse.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.

Not just the Elect, not just the predestined, but for ALL PEOPLE!

That verse is talking about the elect only. In Vs 14 it describes them as a peculiar people

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

That verse is talking about the elect only. In Vs 14 it describes them as a peculiar people

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

All People, "is NOT" the definition of specific or select people.
Wow, you really actually tried to twist this verse.
Unbelievable.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

And verse 14 explains what this is doing for ALL PEOPLE.

...to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Jesus died for ALL PEOPLE so He could redeem a people.

He died for the WHOLE Group of people to get just a few.

Basically, He died for the entire world of people to get a single nation of people.

But the fact is that He died for ALL PEOPLE!

 

[brightfame52]

All People, "is NOT" the definition of specific or select people.
Wow, you really actually tried to twist this verse.
Unbelievable.

Yes it is. God has an elect among all people and tongues and nations.

 

[tylerbones1313]

That verse is talking about the elect only. In Vs 14 it describes them as a peculiar people

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

The concept of the "elect" in Christianity, often interpreted as those whom God has chosen for salvation, can lead to questions about the nature of God's grace and mercy towards all humanity. The discussion around "elect only" interpretations, especially when considering verses like Titus 2:14, necessitates a broader look at biblical teachings regarding God's desire for salvation and His invitation to all people.

Scripture affirms that God's salvation is offered to all humanity, not just a select group. For instance, 1 Timothy 2:4 states that God "desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Similarly, John 3:16 declares, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." These verses underscore the universal scope of God's salvific will and His love for the world.

The term "elect" or "chosen" in the Bible does not negate the universal call to salvation but highlights the certainty and effectiveness of God's redemptive plan for those who believe. The New Testament often uses the language of election to reassure believers of their secure position in Christ and to motivate them towards holiness and mission (Ephesians 1:4-5, 1 Peter 2:9).

Furthermore, the depiction of God's people as "a peculiar people" (Titus 2:14, KJV) or "a people for his own possession" (ESV) emphasizes their distinctiveness in the world due to God's grace, not their exclusivity from it. It speaks to the transformative effect of God's salvation that sets believers apart for a life of good works and witness to God's kingdom.

In conclusion, while the Bible speaks of the "elect" in terms of those who are in Christ, it consistently affirms God's love for all people and His desire for everyone to respond to the gospel. The doctrine of election should be understood in a way that harmonizes with the broader biblical witness to God's gracious invitation to salvation, extended to all humanity. This understanding calls believers to embrace their identity as God's peculiar people, living out their faith in a way that draws others towards the grace and truth found in Jesus Christ.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Yes it is. God has an elect among all people and tongues and nations.

They are the ones who said, Yes.

But He died for ALL PEOPLE to get a few people!

That's what the Bible says so OBEY IT!

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus died for ALL PEOPLE so He could redeem a people.

He died for the WHOLE Group of people to get just a few.

Basically, He died for the entire world of people to get a single nation of people.

But the fact is that He died for ALL PEOPLE!

False, He only died for His Church, the Elect of God, and saved them

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

False, He only died for His Church, the Elect of God, and saved them

You do not understand English then.
Titus says He died for ALL people to get a people.
That's 2 different peoples Titus is talking about.

 

[brightfame52]

The concept of the "elect" in Christianity, often interpreted as those whom God has chosen for salvation, can lead to questions about the nature of God's grace and mercy towards all humanity. The discussion around "elect only" interpretations, especially when considering verses like Titus 2:14, necessitates a broader look at biblical teachings regarding God's desire for salvation and His invitation to all people.

Scripture affirms that God's salvation is offered to all humanity, not just a select group. For instance, 1 Timothy 2:4 states that God "desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Similarly, John 3:16 declares, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." These verses underscore the universal scope of God's salvific will and His love for the world.

The term "elect" or "chosen" in the Bible does not negate the universal call to salvation but highlights the certainty and effectiveness of God's redemptive plan for those who believe. The New Testament often uses the language of election to reassure believers of their secure position in Christ and to motivate them towards holiness and mission (Ephesians 1:4-5, 1 Peter 2:9).

Furthermore, the depiction of God's people as "a peculiar people" (Titus 2:14, KJV) or "a people for his own possession" (ESV) emphasizes their distinctiveness in the world due to God's grace, not their exclusivity from it. It speaks to the transformative effect of God's salvation that sets believers apart for a life of good works and witness to God's kingdom.

In conclusion, while the Bible speaks of the "elect" in terms of those who are in Christ, it consistently affirms God's love for all people and His desire for everyone to respond to the gospel. The doctrine of election should be understood in a way that harmonizes with the broader biblical witness to God's gracious invitation to salvation, extended to all humanity. This understanding calls believers to embrace their identity as God's peculiar people, living out their faith in a way that draws others towards the grace and truth found in Jesus Christ.

Gods Grace is sovereign and its only for a limited people, the remnant according to the election of Grace. Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Only a elect remnant obtain grace, and the rest of mankind God blinds them, hardens them

 

[brightfame52]

You do not understand English then.
Titus says He died for ALL people to get a people.
That's 2 different peoples Titus is talking about.

Thats the elect, a peculiar people. Titus was written to the Elect also Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

 

[brightfame52]

You do not understand English then.
Titus says He died for ALL people to get a people.
That's 2 different peoples Titus is talking about.

You dont understand scripture.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Thats the elect, a peculiar people. Titus was written to the Elect also Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

ALL People is different than a people.

The Bible shows us 2 groups of people here ALL people and a people.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You dont understand scripture.

I understand the Bible much better than you understand English.

 

[jamessb]

That verse is talking about the elect only. In Vs 14 it describes them as a peculiar people

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

Why do you repeat the same false thing over and over and over?

Titus 2:11, "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. "

How can you possibly claim that refers to the elect only???

By changing the subject and choosing a part of an entirely different verse???

 

[jamessb]

I understand the Bible much better than you understand English.

No, you think that you understand the Bible but, judging by your posts, you clearly do not.

Read the previous post #936!

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

No, you think that you understand the Bible but, judging by your posts, you clearly do not.

Read the previous post #936!

I stopped reading your baloney when you said you can command God to do what you want Him to do.

 

[jamessb]

I stopped reading your baloney when you said you can command God to do what you want Him to do.

Where did I say that??? (And apparently you haven't stopped reading what I write!)

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Where did I say that??? (And apparently you haven't stopped reading what I write!)

FollowerofShiloh said:
Do you think you control God and can force Him to give you utterance?

Yes, I absolutely control God!