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In Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, which is the word of faith that you are denying. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so you are denying that anyone can love God and that His commandments are not burdensome. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it is God's instructions for how to know Him, or in other words, God's word is His instructions for how to have a relationship with God's word made flesh.
Believing that we can is a matter of putting our faith in God's word, but even if what you said were true and what God said is false (Let God's word be true and every man a liar), then it wouldn't change the fact that those who are in Christ ought to walk in the same way he walked in accordance with 1 John 2:6. Likewise, we are told to follow Christ's example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to be imitators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). However, what you said is not true and Paul was not saying anything close to blasphemy by saying that he was an imitator of Christ or by instructing us to do that., but just the opposite, what boarders of blasphemy is you speaking against obeying what God has commanded.
Believing that we can is a matter of putting our faith in God's word, but even if what you said were true and what God said is false (Let God's word be true and every man a liar), then it wouldn't change the fact that those who are in Christ ought to walk in the same way he walked in accordance with 1 John 2:6. Likewise, we are told to follow Christ's example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to be imitators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). However, what you said is not true and Paul was not saying anything close to blasphemy by saying that he was an imitator of Christ or by instructing us to do that., but just the opposite, what boarders of blasphemy is you speaking against obeying what God has commanded.
remember thier children were circumcised as each child was circumcised the law was added to the next generation circumcision was the sign of the covenant it’s why they always circumcised thier children placing them under thier national law
And why Paul says even in the nt that we don’t want to go. Get circumcised as a sign of being attatched to the law and obligated to obey all of it
“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”
Galatians 5:2-3 KJV
This is referencing people who knowingly get circumcised as a sign of the old covenant
And why Paul says even in the nt that we don’t want to go. Get circumcised as a sign of being attatched to the law and obligated to obey all of it
“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”
Galatians 5:2-3 KJV
This is referencing people who knowingly get circumcised as a sign of the old covenant
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“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
John 15:10-15
jesus isn’t saying “ forget all I taught you. Just love everyone “ he’s saying “ all I’ve taught you is how to love one another “
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
1 John 3:16-19 KJV
If we rejected the law and didn’t have Jesus is different than if we die to the law and rise up in the gospel one teaches us how to live upright the other doesn’t it tells sinners about sin
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
John 15:10-15
jesus isn’t saying “ forget all I taught you. Just love everyone “ he’s saying “ all I’ve taught you is how to love one another “
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
1 John 3:16-19 KJV
If we rejected the law and didn’t have Jesus is different than if we die to the law and rise up in the gospel one teaches us how to live upright the other doesn’t it tells sinners about sin
Or we could just listen to the Lord word that will save us and believe
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.”
Colossians 2:8-10, 16-19 KJV
Believing the gospel is what it’s all about the mercy and truth is found in the gospel we’re complete in him in the gospel
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.”
Colossians 2:8-10, 16-19 KJV
Believing the gospel is what it’s all about the mercy and truth is found in the gospel we’re complete in him in the gospel
I'm not rejecting the law. I keep the law. Well, actually, Jesus keeps it through me. I am rejecting those who say we can keep the law as if God gave us some superpower to be able to keep the law. And I am attempting to show the impossibility of keeping the law if you can't even enumerate what keeping the law actually entails.
Very respectfully, can you enumerate for me all that the first commandment requires of us? Has anyone other than Christ ever loved God with ALL their heart? Is there not a measure of sin in even our most serious and thoughtful expressions of love?
We were never made to live independently of God. We were always to find our satisfaction in our relationship with Him. And it is only in an intimate relationship with God through the indwelling presence of the Spirit and under the yoke of Christ that we will we be able to do anything that pleases God, and that includes obedience. We need God far more than we have ever imagined.
Very respectfully, can you enumerate for me all that the first commandment requires of us? Has anyone other than Christ ever loved God with ALL their heart? Is there not a measure of sin in even our most serious and thoughtful expressions of love?
We were never made to live independently of God. We were always to find our satisfaction in our relationship with Him. And it is only in an intimate relationship with God through the indwelling presence of the Spirit and under the yoke of Christ that we will we be able to do anything that pleases God, and that includes obedience. We need God far more than we have ever imagined.
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“And I am attempting to show the impossibility of keeping the law if you can't even enumerate what keeping the law actually entails.”
So this ?
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. ( that’s what keeping the law entails )
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:10
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.( that’s all the law does for a person ) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
Once a person knows they are a sinner and condemned they need ….salvation from that condemnation for sin and so while no one should ever “ reject “ the law we also should acknolwedge what it is and isn’t and we shouldnt try to put that yoke back on ourselves or anyone
“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. ( by the law is the knowledge of sin )
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.”
Romans 7:6-8 KJV
“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
1 Corinthians 15:56 KJV
We have a better covenant law spoken by the lord for his children one that saved and gives the knowledge of righteousness one that persons sin rather than imputing sin and guilt ot remits sin and calls to repentance
the two covenant laws are life and death we want the one the lawgiver gave us.
So this ?
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. ( that’s what keeping the law entails )
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:10
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.( that’s all the law does for a person ) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
Once a person knows they are a sinner and condemned they need ….salvation from that condemnation for sin and so while no one should ever “ reject “ the law we also should acknolwedge what it is and isn’t and we shouldnt try to put that yoke back on ourselves or anyone
“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. ( by the law is the knowledge of sin )
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.”
Romans 7:6-8 KJV
“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
1 Corinthians 15:56 KJV
We have a better covenant law spoken by the lord for his children one that saved and gives the knowledge of righteousness one that persons sin rather than imputing sin and guilt ot remits sin and calls to repentance
the two covenant laws are life and death we want the one the lawgiver gave us.
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This misses the point of what I'm saying. I'm not under the law. I'm speaking concerning those who place themselves under the law. I walk in the Spirit. I never even think about the law. My focus is my relationship with Christ. And as I walk with Him, He takes care of everything. That's what 1 Peter 5:7 is all about. We cast all our cares on Him and He provides the care necessary to meet all our needs. It's a light burden and an easy yoke.
Time and again I have advised all to learn about the law from Jesus Yeshua, but it seems, like the Scribes and the Pharisees, His teachings on the subject fall upon deaf ears. My mention of how the law should be uinderstood is a paraphrase of what our Savior taught the hypocrites about the application of the law. I alslso mentioned to learn from Jesus Yeshua. Sorry this has been repeatedly overlooked.
When you get up each day, do you pursue the law or do you pursue God? Do you look to see what the law is doing or what the Father is doing? Do you seek to find satisfaction in the law or in God? When you read the Bible, is it the voice of the law or the voice of God you hear?
Have you noticed that not one person promoting the law has presented what it actually entails in keeping a commandment? They say they can keep it, yet they can't even enumerate what the demands of the law are. This is by God's design. The law itself was given to fallen man as a means of pointing them to Christ. By seeing his constant failure and subsequent inability, man was to understand the utter futility of relating to God on the basis of the law and cry out to God for another way. That other way is Christ living in you. It is a dynamic supernatural relationship wherein He performs the will of the Father through us. This is what God is offering in Christ and, in my opinion, few find this.
Have you noticed that not one person promoting the law has presented what it actually entails in keeping a commandment? They say they can keep it, yet they can't even enumerate what the demands of the law are. This is by God's design. The law itself was given to fallen man as a means of pointing them to Christ. By seeing his constant failure and subsequent inability, man was to understand the utter futility of relating to God on the basis of the law and cry out to God for another way. That other way is Christ living in you. It is a dynamic supernatural relationship wherein He performs the will of the Father through us. This is what God is offering in Christ and, in my opinion, few find this.
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“When you read the Bible, is it the voice of the law or the voice of God you hear?”
The voice of God spoke his law in the gospel
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4 KJV
So to answer your question when I hear Jesus preaching the gospel I hear Gods true law and judgements.
When I read Moses I hear the law that came because of transgression was the ordination of angels like Paul taught and Stephen died for saying and I hear Moses judgements upon the people he atoned for. I have read the law of Moses thoroughly and it is not the same covenant and not the same law it is actually contrary to Jesus words which is the lawgiver
It depends which law your asking about
The one written on my heart because I heard and believed ? Or the one written on stone tablets given to an ancient idolatrous people ?
with the gospel you just need to listen to the lord speak his own words and then go apply it as you learn and he’ll lead us home the law of Christ is about accepting his word and believing that’s what’s meant by having it written on the heart .
When you believe something truly it’s going to stick with your mind and heart because you actually do hold it as a belief. So hearing Gods voice is hearing his laws and judgements it’s just a matter of which covenant we belong to Moses spoke all his words and shed animal blood for remission to Israel’s children
jesus spoke all his words then shed his blood of the new covenant and said anyone who believes will be saved
which words we choose to hold as the law actually matters because Moses mediated the old covenant and Jesus mediated the new
The voice of God spoke his law in the gospel
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4 KJV
So to answer your question when I hear Jesus preaching the gospel I hear Gods true law and judgements.
When I read Moses I hear the law that came because of transgression was the ordination of angels like Paul taught and Stephen died for saying and I hear Moses judgements upon the people he atoned for. I have read the law of Moses thoroughly and it is not the same covenant and not the same law it is actually contrary to Jesus words which is the lawgiver
It depends which law your asking about
The one written on my heart because I heard and believed ? Or the one written on stone tablets given to an ancient idolatrous people ?
with the gospel you just need to listen to the lord speak his own words and then go apply it as you learn and he’ll lead us home the law of Christ is about accepting his word and believing that’s what’s meant by having it written on the heart .
When you believe something truly it’s going to stick with your mind and heart because you actually do hold it as a belief. So hearing Gods voice is hearing his laws and judgements it’s just a matter of which covenant we belong to Moses spoke all his words and shed animal blood for remission to Israel’s children
jesus spoke all his words then shed his blood of the new covenant and said anyone who believes will be saved
which words we choose to hold as the law actually matters because Moses mediated the old covenant and Jesus mediated the new
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Whatever one believes the law to be doesn't matter to obedience. I agree that the old covenant has passed and does not apply to Christians. I'm addressing the nature of obedience. Trying to keep any commandment cannot be accomplished by applying oneself to keeping a commandment. We still fail. It is only as we walk in the Spirit that we actually obey because Jesus always obeys and it is Him living through us.
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Brother What does the phrase “walking in the spirit “mean to you tangibly ?
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
There are two laws spoken of there one is the law of the spirit of life in Christ that sets free
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Right …..To walk in the Law of the spirit of life will set us free
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, ( law of the spirit ) then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
There’s also no condemnation in the law of the spirit of life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Do you at all see what I’m saying in regards to what you’re saying ?
Old covenant law was preached until John and held authority u til Jesus died and rose
“And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
Exodus 24:6-8 KJV
Nothing can be added to Moses words or taken from them
New Testament law is the same it’s what Jesus said from the time he began to preach the gospel , until he died shedding his blood according to his words and rose and sent it to all people
Repentance and Obedience comes from hearing the truth that Jesus already sent out to everyone we aren’t the same as we used to be
Id say I’m probably misunderstanding you brother it sounds like your saying the way to obey God is to not try to obey God because no one can but that’s probably not what your saying
air really does matter which law one promises to hold sinners guilty and our then to death the other promises to change thier hearts and minds and make them righteous
Either way though your loved brother and appreciated
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
There are two laws spoken of there one is the law of the spirit of life in Christ that sets free
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Right …..To walk in the Law of the spirit of life will set us free
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, ( law of the spirit ) then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
There’s also no condemnation in the law of the spirit of life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Do you at all see what I’m saying in regards to what you’re saying ?
Old covenant law was preached until John and held authority u til Jesus died and rose
“And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
Exodus 24:6-8 KJV
Nothing can be added to Moses words or taken from them
New Testament law is the same it’s what Jesus said from the time he began to preach the gospel , until he died shedding his blood according to his words and rose and sent it to all people
Repentance and Obedience comes from hearing the truth that Jesus already sent out to everyone we aren’t the same as we used to be
Id say I’m probably misunderstanding you brother it sounds like your saying the way to obey God is to not try to obey God because no one can but that’s probably not what your saying
air really does matter which law one promises to hold sinners guilty and our then to death the other promises to change thier hearts and minds and make them righteous
Either way though your loved brother and appreciated
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I actually am saying that no one can keep any law fully and completely. Most people can't even tell you what any singular command requires of an individual, let alone how to perform it and what the requisite inward reality must be met. This,coupled with the fact that sin remains in the flesh and none of our hearts are completely pure, means even if we understood any commandment in its totality, our motivations for keeping it would fall short of what is required. Of ourselves, there is a measure of sin in all we do. Their is either an element of the commandment that isn't met or an inward motivation that does not reflect the spiritual nature the commandment requires. If we chose the 3 purest acts we ever performed, and these were the only acts we ever performed, they would be insufficient to merit eternal life. They would be as filthy rags before God because they would not engender the righteousness demanded by the commandments. Jesus alone lived a life of perfect righteousness.
Given this, even being gloriously redeemed and made new, there remains in each of us impurity that makes the keeping of the commandments impossible in and of ourselves. It is only as we walk in the Spirit that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh; it is only as Christ lives in and through us that we actually attain to the righteousness of the law. This is true irrespective of which commandment you apply it to.
Thus, to focus on the law rather than on our relationship to Christ is to miss all that Christ has made available to us. He didn't save us so we could concentrate on obedience. He saved us so we could relate to Him. We were already related to the law. We were not in relationship with Him. Certainly as a result of this new relationship we will be obedient. But that isn't to be accomplished outside of our relationship with Christ. It is accomplished as we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the natural outcome of the relationship, and not the basis of it.
Perhaps I just can't communicate well my thoughts. But a life with God hidden in Christ is so much more than keeping commandments.
Given this, even being gloriously redeemed and made new, there remains in each of us impurity that makes the keeping of the commandments impossible in and of ourselves. It is only as we walk in the Spirit that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh; it is only as Christ lives in and through us that we actually attain to the righteousness of the law. This is true irrespective of which commandment you apply it to.
Thus, to focus on the law rather than on our relationship to Christ is to miss all that Christ has made available to us. He didn't save us so we could concentrate on obedience. He saved us so we could relate to Him. We were already related to the law. We were not in relationship with Him. Certainly as a result of this new relationship we will be obedient. But that isn't to be accomplished outside of our relationship with Christ. It is accomplished as we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the natural outcome of the relationship, and not the basis of it.
Perhaps I just can't communicate well my thoughts. But a life with God hidden in Christ is so much more than keeping commandments.
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