Is Speaking in Tongues still available today?

[tylerbones1313]

I just want your views backed by Scriptural references on the subject and what it means to you.

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Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
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[GRACE_ambassador]

Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.

Precious friend, such a wonderful idea.
op: tongues still available today?

I don't believe so, but I do know this: if the gifts of prophecy,
tongues, and knowledge (v. 8) are "not abiding today" these three are:

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"And now abideth faith, hope and charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these [ is ] charity [love]" (1Co 13:13 AV)​

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Be Blessed.

Amen.

 

[vassal]

To me this is dead today, back then as described in Acts, at that specific time, where many strangers from all over heard the messages from GOD in their own tongues it had a purpose, it was clearly divine but today it has NONE !
I have never seen evidence that it is of divine origin today on the contrary, see for yourself the myriads of video on youtube where people talk gibberish that none understands, people jump twist around, fall over, and convulse on the floor to me this is demonic possession not the act of God, be careful what you believe. There are much better gifts to be had.

 

[Dino246]

Yes, the Holy-Spirit-enabled gift of speaking in tongues is still available today. However, it is not likely to be given to people who think it's demonic, silly, or "dead".

 

[tylerbones1313]

I like all your opinions and would like Scriptural basis to support such strong ideas on The baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues. If you believe it's no longer available show me in Scripture where it ceased.

 

[MsMediator]

Yes, however I believe only people from some cultures and denominations are generally given this gift.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Yes, however I believe only people from some cultures and denominations are generally given this gift.

It is for everyone at anytime by grace through faith. And there are scriptures that govern speaking in tongues. We are in the Dispensation of Grace which has ended until the Millennial reign of Christ. Read all these passages hope they help.

1 Corinthians 12:7-11:

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; To another prophecy; To another discerning of spirits; To another divers kinds of tongues; To another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."​

1 Corinthians 14:2-4, 14-15:

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."​

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

These verses, spoken by Peter in Acts 2, represent a pivotal moment in the birth of the Christian Church.

Context: This passage comes after the Day of Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples and empowered them to speak in different languages. This event attracted a crowd from various nations, prompting Peter to address them.

Verse 38:

• "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
  • Peter: This refers to the Apostle Peter, a close disciple of Jesus and a key leader in the early church.
  • Repent: This calls for a change of heart, turning away from sin and towards God. It involves acknowledging one's wrongdoings, regretting them, and committing to a new way of living.
  • Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ: Baptism signifies a public declaration of faith in Jesus Christ and identification with him. It represents a symbolic cleansing of sin and a new beginning.
  • For the remission of sins: Baptism is not seen as a magical act that washes away sins, but a commitment to a process of forgiveness and reconciliation with God.
  • And ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost: This refers to the empowering presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit, promised to those who follow Christ. The Holy Spirit strengthens believers, equips them with gifts, and guides them in their Christian walk.

Verse 39:

• "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
  • The promise: This refers to the offer of salvation, forgiveness, and the Holy Spirit, mentioned in verse 38.
  • Unto you: This emphasizes that the offer is extended to the specific audience gathered: the people present on that day in Jerusalem.
  • And to your children: This can be interpreted in two ways:
    • Literally: It could signify that the promise of salvation is available to future generations within the existing families. However, this is not understood as automatic inheritance but is dependent on their own individual choice and faith.
    • Figuratively: It could refer to spiritual descendants, believers who follow in the footsteps of those who have already accepted Christ.
  • And to all that are afar off: This emphasizes the universality of the offer of salvation. It is not limited to a specific group, ethnicity, or location but is open to everyone, regardless of their background.
  • Even as many as the Lord our God shall call: This acknowledges that while the offer is open to all, it ultimately rests with God to choose those who will respond to his grace and accept his offer.

This passage marks a significant turning point in the history of Christianity. It signifies the beginning of the church's mission to spread the Gospel message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, regardless of ethnicity, social status, or geographical location. It emphasizes the invitation extended to everyone, with the understanding that God ultimately chooses those who receive His grace.

Dispensation of Grace (Acts 2 - Present Day):

• Governing Principle: Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
• Responsibility: Faith in Christ and living a life guided by the Holy Spirit.
• Key Events/Figures: Pentecost, ministry of Jesus, spread of the gospel.

Determining the exact moment the dispensation of Grace began according to Scripture depends on the specific interpretation of dispensationalism. There are two main views with supporting arguments:

1. Beginning at Pentecost (Acts 2):

This view is based on the following arguments:

• Fulfillment of prophecy: Acts 2:1-4 is seen as the fulfillment of Joel 2:28-32, which prophesies an outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh. This event signifies the inauguration of a new era characterized by grace.
• Shift of focus: Acts 2 marks the beginning of the Church Age, where the focus shifts from the Jewish nation and the Law to the universal offer of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
• Empowerment for the Gospel: The descent of the Holy Spirit empowers the disciples to spread the gospel message across the world, fulfilling the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20).

2. Beginning with Paul's Conversion (Acts 9):

This view emphasizes the following:

• Revelation of the Mystery: Paul, in his epistles, claims to have received a special revelation concerning the dispensation of Grace (Ephesians 3:2-9). He describes it as a "mystery" previously hidden but revealed to him.
• Focus on Gentiles: Paul is seen as the "apostle to the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13), and his conversion marks the beginning of the inclusion of Gentiles into the body of Christ, previously limited primarily to Jews.
• Distinction from the Church Age: Some argue that Pentecost signifies the beginning of the Church Age, while Paul's conversion marks the specific initiation of the dispensation of Grace.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I just want your views backed by Scriptural references on the subject and what it means to you.

Let's just say that there are two camps on this subject and leave it at that. Neither side will change their minds. And relevant Scriptures have been misrepresented and misapplied for a long time. So let's move on rather than have unprofitable discussions.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Let's just say that there are two camps on this subject and leave it at that. Neither side will change their minds. And relevant Scriptures have been misrepresented and misapplied for a long time. So let's move on rather than have unprofitable discussions.

I agree with what I bolded and underlined above. I just wish we could all agree as one on the matter, because there is only ONE truth. So which camp is right or are they both wrong. Hopefully it wouldn't be unprofitable. But on this matter probably noone would truly follow this signature

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Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
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[p_rehbein]

I agree with what I bolded and underlined above. I just wish we could all agree as one on the matter, because there is only ONE truth. So which camp is right or are they both wrong. Hopefully it wouldn't be unprofitable. But on this matter probably noone would truly follow this signature

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Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
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I notice you want folks to justify their opinions with Scripture "back up," yet you seldom do. Why don't you tell us what your opinion is concerning the speaking in tongues? Be sure to back it up with Scripture please. Yeah, that would be swell,

 

[Nehemiah6]

I agree with what I bolded and underlined above. I just wish we could all agree as one on the matter, because there is only ONE truth.

As noted, that is just wishful thinking. Each person will give account only for themselves, and what they believed, and taught. Apart from the apostolic period, historically (and broadly) there was no speaking in tongues in Christianity until the early 20th century. So that should tell you something.

 

[Drummer4God]

Scripture is like our GPS for life. It guides, corrects, and teaches us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Something else to note. Modern "glossolalia" (gibberish) is not the same as biblical "glossais" (actual human languages). Furthermore the Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) and perhaps others teach that those who speak in tongues have been "baptized IN the Holy Spirit". But the Bible says that Christ baptizes WITH the Holy Spirit, and all believers are baptized in this manner when they receive the gift of the Spirit. And not all believers speak in tongues.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Scripture is like our GPS for life. It guides, corrects, and teaches us.

The Holy Spirit is our Divine Teacher who uses Scripture to bring all God's truth to us. At the same time (1) we are to study the Word diligently and (2) we are to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

 

[Angela53510]

I don't believe there are many verses that say that speaking in tongues will disappear. Why? Because the people saw it happening, they were living it. They saw tongues save many people, which was its purpose.

But, when the last book of the Bible, Revelation, was written in either 70 or 90
AD, the Bible was finished. It contained everything a Christian needed to live and grow in the Lord. True, there weren't a lot of Bibles around at first. Sometimes they could only hear a scroll of one book in a city or town. So, there probably was a period in which tongues were still operating, while they were dying in other places. Whether that was the first or second century, they were gone, certainly by the time of the first church counsels. Theology was incredibly important, stopping people like Arius, from spreading real heresy. No one was even discussing tongues by 325 AD, the Council of Nicaea.

So it did fade away, and wasn't needed or being used in the church after the early church died out. History, rather than the Bible tells us speaking in tongues died out, until it started again in 1905 at Azusa Street in San Francisco. It spread rapidly, and is a large movement in the world today.

But is it truly a movement of God? I think we need to give each other grace with this issue. I have many charismatic friends. Interestingly, many are now in churches with excellent teaching and theology. That was the reason I left the charismatic movement. I was not being fed. I was reading through the Bible daily. I wasn't hearing what I was reading in the sermons at church. I was hearing Acts 2 over and over. I was seeing people praise God, speak in tongues, and no actual results. No one was growing spiritually, evangelical fervour had died. And there was a huge spirit of pride. About how charismatics and Pentecostals were so much better than the other churches. I heard that from the pulpit, almost ever Sunday. I heard bad hermeneutics, although it took me years before I knew the word and what it meant! I heard bad theology that wasn't in my Bible. I kept reading my Bible, but church was a burden.

I finally left and went to a non-charismatic church. I heard what I was reading in my Bible being preached in the pulpit. And love! There was so much love and caring. I didn't even realise love for one another was missing in charismatic churches. People did so much for me, as I got RA. No one ever helped me once in the large charismatic churches. In the non-charismatic church ladies were bringing me dinners, the pastor and elders were praying for me.

I began to realise that the charismatic movement was a false move of God. I never went back. After 15 years as a charismatic, I knew most of it wasn't true, not based on verses that were from nearly
2000 years ago, not for today.

But this is where the grace must come in. I still have charismatic friends I don't spend my time trying to break their beliefs. There are much more important doctrines to discuss. Same with the charismatic. They don't need to spend all their time convincing some non-charismatic they need to speak in tongues. It's not an essential doctrine. Let us try and love one another, and care for each other. Jesus doesn't want to return to a church speaking in tongues, but has no love, any more than he wants to return to a non-charismatic church that doesn't have love, either.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Something else to note. Modern "glossolalia" (gibberish) is not the same as biblical "glossais" (actual human languages). Furthermore the Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) and perhaps others teach that those who speak in tongues have been "baptized IN the Holy Spirit". But the Bible says that Christ baptizes WITH the Holy Spirit, and all believers are baptized in this manner when they receive the gift of the Spirit. And not all believers speak in tongues.

The sad part is they ALL could if they sought for it.

 

[tylerbones1313]

I notice you want folks to justify their opinions with Scripture "back up," yet you seldom do. Why don't you tell us what your opinion is concerning the speaking in tongues? Be sure to back it up with Scripture please. Yeah, that would be swell,

look further up on the thread

 

[tylerbones1313]

The Holy Spirit is our Divine Teacher who uses Scripture to bring all God's truth to us. At the same time (1) we are to study the Word diligently and (2) we are to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Have you ever experienced Speaking in Tongues yourself or been apart of a True Tongues and Interpretation service. Answering this thread question truly depends on experience whether through you or someone else.

The bold statement above is one of the most important things to do but seems for a lot of people the hardest thing to do. Some Scripture is hard to rightly divide, that's when we need to learn to ask for help. God Bless

 

[Gideon300]

I just want your views backed by Scriptural references on the subject and what it means to you.

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Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
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Sure. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit with all the gifts are from today. The gifts will be necessary until the kingdom of God comes and believers receive their spirit bodies.

The amazing Welsh revival at the start of the 20th century started with a restoration of the power of the Spirit of God. As with the Azusa St revival, there were errors, excesses and deceptions, but it was mostly genuine. Wales was transformed.

I used to speak in tongues but I've not for decades. I lost the desire, that's all. My wife speaks in tongues and it's not an issue for me. The overemphasis on tongues has done a great disservice to the church. I resisted the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for some time because the over the top Pentecostals I met put me off. After about 3 years, I realised that it was a valid and, for me, necessary experience. Christmas Eve 1974 I was baptised in the Holy Spirit, on my own, while on holidays. I spoke in tongues spontaneously, no one pushing me as I'd experienced before.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I like all your opinions and would like Scriptural basis to support such strong ideas on The baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues. If you believe it's no longer available show me in Scripture where it ceased.

You're asking the wrong question. Instead of asking where in scripture it says tongues have ceased, you should be asking whether tongues, as practiced today, is the same thing we see taught in scripture.

If you want scriptures that specifically say tongues will cease at the end of the Apostolic age, I'll admit I don't know of any. But judging by some your responses, you seem a little ignorant of what the scriptures actually teach. Not intended as an insult; it just seems you're acting like you have a lot more Biblical understanding than you do. I hope you'll keep studying and seeking insight.