Do You Believe Unrepentant Sinners in Hell Can be Saved?
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The Bible never says that the Atonement of the LORD Jesus is avaliable to Angels.. But it is clear that it is avaliable to us humans who repent and believe and Trust in the LORD Jesus..
God is perfect and therefore it can be concluded that God loves all beings..
So unrepentant sinners in Hell cannot be saved.
And God loves unrepentant sinners who are in Hell..
No. John, Chapter 3 says: 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If a person lives their lives denying God and Jesus while wallowing in sin, and they die in their sin, for God to then forgive them and give them eternal life would mean there was another way to God other than belief in Jesus the Christ, and that would make God an unjust God. God IS a just God! People have the choice of where they will spend eternity.
Jesus told the Pharisees that if they did not accept Him then they would die in their sins.
The Bible says for it is appointed unto people once to die, and then the judgment.
In the flesh dwells no good thing.
Sin separates us from God.
When a person dies judgment is already set.
However a person dies whether with sin on their record, or sin not on their record, they will stay in the condition for eternity.
That is because there is no place to put off the sin if they die with sin on their record.
Their entire being is corrupted with no place to put off the sin for they are not in the flesh.
The angels when they rebelled cannot be saved for they are one component and have no where to put off the sin, so their entire being was corrupted and they could not get rid of the sin.
But a person is flesh and soul which all sin resides in the flesh, and if they do not have sin on their record they can put off the flesh, and their soul is preserved.
But a person that dies in their sins have that on their record in the after life but they are not in the flesh so they have nowhere to transfer the sin.
It is because we are in the flesh that we can be saved, but the angels are only one being so they cannot be saved after they sin.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.
God did not spare the angels, but delivered then into chains of darkness, not delivered them to be saved, and they are reserved unto judgment but that judgment will be separation from God for they are cannot reverse the sin they done, and cannot get rid of the sin they done.
People can be saved because they are in the flesh, and however they die whether sin on their record, or no sin on their record they stay that way for all eternity, and if sin on their record they cannot get rid of the sin because they are not in the flesh, so they have nowhere to transfer the sin so their entire being is corrupted with no reversal.
Angels cannot be saved for they are one being so if they sin they cannot get rid of the sin so their entire being is corrupted with no reversal.
If a person dies with sin on their record then they become like the angels that sinned that they cannot reverse it for they are one being because they are not in the flesh so their entire being is corrupted.
God loves sinners. That does not meant that He overrides their will and forces them to be saved. A sinner in heaven would be more miserable than in hell.
Luke 16
The parable of the unjust steward and of the rich man and Lazarus.
1 And he said also to his disciples: There was a certain rich man who had a steward: and the same was accused unto him, that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said to him: How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship: for now thou canst be steward no longer. 3 And the steward said within himself: What shall I do, because my lord taketh away from me the stewardship? To dig I am not able; to beg I am ashamed. 4 I know what I will do, that when I shall be removed from the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses. 5 Therefore calling together every one of his lord's debtors, he said to the first: How much dost thou owe my lord?
6 But he said: An hundred barrels of oil. And he said to him: Take thy bill and sit down quickly, and write fifty. 7 Then he said to another: And how much dost thou owe? Who said: An hundred quarters of wheat. He said to him: Take thy bill, and write eighty. 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, forasmuch as he had done wisely: for the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light. 9 And I say to you: Make unto you friends of the mammon of iniquity; that when you shall fail, they may receive you into everlasting dwellings. 10 He that is faithful in that which is least, is faithful also in that which is greater: and he that is unjust in that which is little, is unjust also in that which is greater.
11 If then you have not been faithful in the unjust mammon; who will trust you with that which is the true? 12 And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's; who will give you that which is your own? 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. 14 Now the Pharisees, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said to them: You are they who justify yourselves before men, but God knoweth your hearts; for that which is high to men, is an abomination before God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John; from that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every one useth violence towards it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fall. 18 Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery. 19 There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
21 Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. 23 And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: 24 And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. 25 And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.
26 And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. 27 And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, 28 That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. 29 And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
31 And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.
The parable of the unjust steward and of the rich man and Lazarus.
1 And he said also to his disciples: There was a certain rich man who had a steward: and the same was accused unto him, that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said to him: How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship: for now thou canst be steward no longer. 3 And the steward said within himself: What shall I do, because my lord taketh away from me the stewardship? To dig I am not able; to beg I am ashamed. 4 I know what I will do, that when I shall be removed from the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses. 5 Therefore calling together every one of his lord's debtors, he said to the first: How much dost thou owe my lord?
6 But he said: An hundred barrels of oil. And he said to him: Take thy bill and sit down quickly, and write fifty. 7 Then he said to another: And how much dost thou owe? Who said: An hundred quarters of wheat. He said to him: Take thy bill, and write eighty. 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, forasmuch as he had done wisely: for the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light. 9 And I say to you: Make unto you friends of the mammon of iniquity; that when you shall fail, they may receive you into everlasting dwellings. 10 He that is faithful in that which is least, is faithful also in that which is greater: and he that is unjust in that which is little, is unjust also in that which is greater.
11 If then you have not been faithful in the unjust mammon; who will trust you with that which is the true? 12 And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's; who will give you that which is your own? 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. 14 Now the Pharisees, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said to them: You are they who justify yourselves before men, but God knoweth your hearts; for that which is high to men, is an abomination before God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John; from that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every one useth violence towards it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fall. 18 Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery. 19 There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
21 Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. 23 And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: 24 And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. 25 And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.
26 And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. 27 And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, 28 That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. 29 And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
31 And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.
how do we know that?
why would we be the judges of angels if there is no mercy available to them? why would Christ preach to them if they cannot possibly hear? why would God create and redeem man in their sight if we are meaningless to their situation?
they are witness to the beginning of Adam until the end of days. why does God show them this?
Correct, As In "today , while we are alive, on earth":
"We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive
not The Grace of God in vain. ( For He saith, I have heard thee in a time
accepted, and in The Day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold,
[ when? ]
Now Is The Accepted time; behold, Now Is The Day of salvation. )"
(2Co 6:1-2)
Thus, it Cannot "be later when in hell", Correct?:"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this The Judgment"
(Heb 9:27)
Amen.Just because they face condemnation and judgement doesn't mean God doesn't love them. Because then He couldn't be Perfect Love. His desire is always for the human race to make perfect righteous decisions. Those choices are what condemns us or redeems us doesn't change the fact that God still loves us.
sometimes loving someone means letting them make their own mistakes
Are you intentionally asking two distinct questions? Your thread title is one question, and your question here is quite different.
To the thread title: no.
To the question above: irrelevant. It really doesn't matter whether God loves them or not; their judgment is final and will never change.
Where is your Scriptural basis for your answer. Show me in the Word of God where God hates sinners (human race) not where it says God hates Sin (acts of disobedience), just the acts of man not man himself.
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Why?
What would you do with the information?
Would you try every way possible to discount it and/or try to find a loophole?
There comes a point when questions asked in a disingenuous manner that you figure out that it's really not worth your time.
You are here to prove your point and not actually try to learn. You do the same to scriptures already. It's called proof texting or eisogesis.
Literally every book in the Old Testament and New is full of proof. Especially when read in context.
Can you or can't you show biblical proof where god hates people, not the acts of sin but the actual people committing them.
Here is an instance where Scripture may allude to that but not so.
Ps. 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
This verse from Psalm 5:5 can be misinterpreted if taken out of context. While it does say "thou hatest all workers of iniquity," it's crucial to understand that the concept of "hate" in this context doesn't necessarily equate to the modern understanding of the word.
Here's a breakdown of the verse:
- "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:" This line doesn't refer to general intelligence, but rather to moral foolishness. It describes those who reject God's will and choose to live a life contrary to His teachings.
- "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity:" Here, "hate" shouldn't be interpreted as God harboring negative emotions like humans do. Instead, it signifies God's complete opposition to sin and evil. He cannot condone or approve of actions (not the people committing them) that go against His holy nature.
It's important to consider other verses in the Bible for a complete understanding. Here are some examples:
- John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." This verse highlights God's immense love for humanity.
- Ezekiel 18:23: "Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked? saith the Lord GOD: but rather that he should return from his ways, and live?" This further clarifies that God desires for people to turn away from sin and lead a righteous life.
When probation closes it is finished.
Probation closes when we die or when Jesus stops pleading His blood for us.
Jesus will stop being our high priest just before He comes as king.
Rev 22:11-12
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Probation closes when we die or when Jesus stops pleading His blood for us.
Jesus will stop being our high priest just before He comes as king.
Rev 22:11-12
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Not what I asked...
IOW you are here with an agenda and not conversation. Just like I thought.
You proved my point perfectly.
And something that you REALLY need to learn:
People don't care what you know if they don't know that you care.
You can win every argument in your own mind but lose every person at the same time. What is more important to you?
Winning arguments or people?
So I take it you can't find any Scriptures to back your answer. Then case closed, if not tell me plainly what you want to know?