Spiritual Baptism
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Regeneration is a term to connote life. If one isn't saved until baptism, that means they were made alive or regenerated in baptism. Thus, baptismal regeneration.
I don't subscribe to baptismal regeneration, but some here do. That's why I asked you before about Acts 2:37. God has clearly been at work in those who respond. Peter has already been commissioned by Jesus to teach and baptize. It's no surprise then that he would tell them to be baptized.
I don't subscribe to baptismal regeneration, but some here do. That's why I asked you before about Acts 2:37. God has clearly been at work in those who respond. Peter has already been commissioned by Jesus to teach and baptize. It's no surprise then that he would tell them to be baptized.
According to the word it is one experience.
The Ephesians' scripture says those who hear and believe the word of truth, the gospel of salvation are sealed with the Holy Ghost of promise.
The word of truth, the gospel of salvation was first presented in Acts chapter 2. People who believe in Jesus place their trust in Him as seen in their willingness to repent, and be water baptized in His name. Those willing to do so will receive the Holy Ghost, it is a promise. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:36-42
The Ephesians' scripture says those who hear and believe the word of truth, the gospel of salvation are sealed with the Holy Ghost of promise.
The word of truth, the gospel of salvation was first presented in Acts chapter 2. People who believe in Jesus place their trust in Him as seen in their willingness to repent, and be water baptized in His name. Those willing to do so will receive the Holy Ghost, it is a promise. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:36-42
so basically @Cameron143 if some one says evil you are.
You simply say, noooo that would be Doug witty 😋
It's just another way to forgive those instantly, who may suggest your evil.
It's called humouring the situation.
It's the only way I can forgive a brother 77 times
You simply say, noooo that would be Doug witty 😋
It's just another way to forgive those instantly, who may suggest your evil.
It's called humouring the situation.
It's the only way I can forgive a brother 77 times
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Actually it should come as no surprise that you reject what I've pointed out. When a person refuses to accept the scriptural evidence that sin is remitted in obedience to water baptism (per God's design) it is inevitable that they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge what is clearly conveyed in that particular scripture.
And for the record, I've never said water baptism ALONE results in a person being born again. What I have said, over and over again, is that both obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus, AND receiving the Holy Ghost as well are essential elements of the NT rebirth. This truth is confirmed throughout scripture. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16, Rom. 8:9)
And for the record, I've never said water baptism ALONE results in a person being born again. What I have said, over and over again, is that both obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus, AND receiving the Holy Ghost as well are essential elements of the NT rebirth. This truth is confirmed throughout scripture. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16, Rom. 8:9)
I'm aware of what you believe. But if anything more than belief is necessary for salvation, then salvation is not of grace alone. That's why it is necessary to understand the work of God in Acts 2:37.
And it's not that people shouldn't or won't get baptized when they are quickened and made alive by God, it's that they will never understand their need before God until He grants hearing and circumcises their hearts. All of this is spiritual in nature and performed in a person before their wills will ask...men and brethren what shall we do? Once the heart is converted and the mind is renewed, the will always follows.
It's worth noting, sins were paid for at the cross and no other time. What happens in salvation is that God reveals to an individual what He has done on their behalf. Sins were remitted when God accepted Jesus' offering. The remission of their sins is simply made known in time and space.
And it's not that people shouldn't or won't get baptized when they are quickened and made alive by God, it's that they will never understand their need before God until He grants hearing and circumcises their hearts. All of this is spiritual in nature and performed in a person before their wills will ask...men and brethren what shall we do? Once the heart is converted and the mind is renewed, the will always follows.
It's worth noting, sins were paid for at the cross and no other time. What happens in salvation is that God reveals to an individual what He has done on their behalf. Sins were remitted when God accepted Jesus' offering. The remission of their sins is simply made known in time and space.
You insert water where it is not stated. Other verses, such as you are saved by grace through faith, not by works,
etc, say nothing of needing to be drenched in physical water to effectuate your salvation. Salvation is by grace
through faith (Romans 3:22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 30; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 3:9.)
etc, say nothing of needing to be drenched in physical water to effectuate your salvation. Salvation is by grace
through faith (Romans 3:22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 30; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 3:9.)
Were the Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Philippians water baptized when they heard the gospel and believed?
Also, you say salvation is by grace. What does one have to do to receive grace?
Grace is unmerited favour. God made us alive while we were still dead in our trespasses and sins.
He draws us with loving kindness, and makes it possible for us to accept that which we had been
hostile to in our minds before, while we were yet enemies... He circumcises our hearts. Water baptism
is not an act of God, but a pledge of a clear conscious toward God after we repent and believe.
He draws us with loving kindness, and makes it possible for us to accept that which we had been
hostile to in our minds before, while we were yet enemies... He circumcises our hearts. Water baptism
is not an act of God, but a pledge of a clear conscious toward God after we repent and believe.
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This is how I came to that conclusion. You said grace is unmerited favor, I agree. People will take that and say baptism is a work and that those who believe baptism is necessary are trying to earn (merit) salvation. As you rightly said, baptism does not earn us salvation. There no amount of works we can do to earn salvation, except obey Christ. Then He gifts us salvation.
You stated God circumcises our hearts. I agree. At what point, in the conversion process, does God circumcise our hearts? There is a verse that tells us.
This is how I came to that conclusion. You said grace is unmerited favor, I agree. People will take that and say baptism is a work and that those who believe baptism is necessary are trying to earn (merit) salvation. As you rightly said, baptism does not earn us salvation. There no amount of works we can do to earn salvation, except obey Christ. Then He gifts us salvation.
You stated God circumcises our hearts. I agree. At what point, in the conversion process, does God circumcise our hearts? There is a verse that tells us.
