Predestination is misunderstood...
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especially = (adverb) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: - chiefly, most of all, particularity.
Paul is obviously not teaching universalism, that all men will be saved in the spiritual and eternal sense, since the rest of Scripture clearly teaches that God will not save everyone. Most will reject Him and spend eternity in hell (Matt. 25:41, Mat_25:46; Rev. 20:11–15).
specially of those that believe - "This is evidently designed to limit the previous remark. If it had been left there, it might have been inferred that he would “actually save” all people. But the apostle held no such doctrine, and he here teaches that salvation is “actually” limited to those who believe." (Barnes)
Paul is obviously not teaching universalism, that all men will be saved in the spiritual and eternal sense, since the rest of Scripture clearly teaches that God will not save everyone. Most will reject Him and spend eternity in hell (Matt. 25:41, Mat_25:46; Rev. 20:11–15).
specially of those that believe - "This is evidently designed to limit the previous remark. If it had been left there, it might have been inferred that he would “actually save” all people. But the apostle held no such doctrine, and he here teaches that salvation is “actually” limited to those who believe." (Barnes)
Don't try to be perfect. 😊
So far in this place you have accused a few of trolling, whilst coming a cross as being superior.
At times you have also tried to force your opinion.
Now your back to being rude.
Your not perfect and you've already lead people astray with a false a doctrine over baptism.
Your playing word games all the time.
And neither have you apologized to quite a few people,.when they have asked you to back of.
So before You accuse me of trolling, lol look in the mirror at your almighty ego, because it stinks. 😊
So far in this place you have accused a few of trolling, whilst coming a cross as being superior.
At times you have also tried to force your opinion.
Now your back to being rude.
Your not perfect and you've already lead people astray with a false a doctrine over baptism.
Your playing word games all the time.
And neither have you apologized to quite a few people,.when they have asked you to back of.
So before You accuse me of trolling, lol look in the mirror at your almighty ego, because it stinks. 😊
I, like everyone, have a set of beliefs. And like everyone, I hold some beliefs in error. So I welcome everyone's perspective. But I'm not only interested in what people believe but what has led them to their beliefs. To find this out, it's necessary to ask questions.
I realize people are reticent to answer sometimes because one cannot be sure of another's motives. This never concerns me because I'm not bothered by other people's motives or suffer any harm from people's words. Neither is it ever my intention ever to cause people harm. I'm merely asking questions for my personal edification and occasionally to open up people within their own assumptions.
Take the current discussion I'm having with John. It's easy to see how one comes to the conclusion that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of every person who will ever live. But is that accurate? If God is just, I don't understand how He can both accept Jesus' payment for an individual's sins and still hold them accountable for those sins. That's my dilemma. So I asked him how both are possible.
I realize people are reticent to answer sometimes because one cannot be sure of another's motives. This never concerns me because I'm not bothered by other people's motives or suffer any harm from people's words. Neither is it ever my intention ever to cause people harm. I'm merely asking questions for my personal edification and occasionally to open up people within their own assumptions.
Take the current discussion I'm having with John. It's easy to see how one comes to the conclusion that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of every person who will ever live. But is that accurate? If God is just, I don't understand how He can both accept Jesus' payment for an individual's sins and still hold them accountable for those sins. That's my dilemma. So I asked him how both are possible.
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Water baptism is not explicitly commanded as a requirement for salvation in the New Testament. While the Bible mentions baptism as an act of obedience and identification with Christ, it does not present it as a condition for receiving forgiveness or eternal life
. The Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20 instructs followers of Christ to make disciples and baptize them, but this does not establish baptism as a prerequisite for salvation
. Instead, salvation comes through faith in Christ alone, as described in Ephesians 2:8–9
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Some verses, like Acts 2:38, have been used to argue for baptism as a necessity for salvation, but careful examination reveals that the context indicates that baptism follows repentance and faith, not precedes them
. Other verses, such as Romans 6:3-4 and Colossians 2:12, suggest that baptism represents a spiritual union with Christ, but they do not establish it as a condition for salvation
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Thus, while baptism is encouraged as an expression of faith and obedience, it is not presented as a requirement for salvation according to the New Testament. Salvation comes solely through faith in Christ, as taught throughout the Bible
J.
. The Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20 instructs followers of Christ to make disciples and baptize them, but this does not establish baptism as a prerequisite for salvation
. Instead, salvation comes through faith in Christ alone, as described in Ephesians 2:8–9
.
Some verses, like Acts 2:38, have been used to argue for baptism as a necessity for salvation, but careful examination reveals that the context indicates that baptism follows repentance and faith, not precedes them
. Other verses, such as Romans 6:3-4 and Colossians 2:12, suggest that baptism represents a spiritual union with Christ, but they do not establish it as a condition for salvation
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Thus, while baptism is encouraged as an expression of faith and obedience, it is not presented as a requirement for salvation according to the New Testament. Salvation comes solely through faith in Christ, as taught throughout the Bible
J.
No, hell was not primarily created for humans. The Bible makes it clear that hell, often referred to as the lake of fire or Gehenna, was initially prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41)
. Humans are not mentioned as the primary inhabitants of hell in the creation narrative found within the Bible. Instead, the Bible emphasizes that God desires none to perish but that all might come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), indicating that God's intention is for all to choose salvation rather than face the ultimate consequence of rejection—separation from God in hell.
J.
. Humans are not mentioned as the primary inhabitants of hell in the creation narrative found within the Bible. Instead, the Bible emphasizes that God desires none to perish but that all might come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), indicating that God's intention is for all to choose salvation rather than face the ultimate consequence of rejection—separation from God in hell.
J.
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Proverbs 10:24 - "What the wicked dreads will come upon him, but the desire of the righteous will be granted."
Proverbs 24:19-20 - "Fret not yourself because of evildoers, and be not envious of the wicked, for the evil man has no future; the lamp of the wicked will be put out."
Ezekiel 18:23 - "Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?"
1 Corinthians 6:9 - "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality."
Revelation 21:8 - "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
These verses, among others, describe the consequences of wickedness and the rejection of God's ways. They emphasize the importance of repentance and turning away from sin, as well as the ultimate judgment that awaits those who persist in wickedness.
We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures brother.
J.
Proverbs 24:19-20 - "Fret not yourself because of evildoers, and be not envious of the wicked, for the evil man has no future; the lamp of the wicked will be put out."
Ezekiel 18:23 - "Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?"
1 Corinthians 6:9 - "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality."
Revelation 21:8 - "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
These verses, among others, describe the consequences of wickedness and the rejection of God's ways. They emphasize the importance of repentance and turning away from sin, as well as the ultimate judgment that awaits those who persist in wickedness.
We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures brother.
J.
1Jn 2:2 does not teach what you think, as I explained last night in a post. There are two groups of people mentioned in the passage "our sins" (sins of Jews) and "the sins of the whole world" (Gentiles). However, there is that all-important "but" in between both groups that contrasts them. Logically and exegetically, it's impossible to include the first group (Jews) in with the second group (Gentiles), since John spoke of the "whole world" (Gentiles) as distinct from the Jews. (In fact, this is precisely how Jews thought of themselves and the world. The Jews did NOT consider themselves to be part of "them" (Gentiles)! Yet, if the phrase "whole world" was meant to be understood in the distributive or universal sense, no distinction could have been made between Jews and Gentiles, since both groups literally comprise the whole world.
Universal terms are often used in a limited sense in scripture. We have to be careful in our exegesis and allow the full context of God's word to determine what sense we should understand any given passage. For example, take Jn 3:16. Did God so love each and every person in the world as so many interpret this text? But then how would we square such an interpretation with God also hating sinners (Ps 5:5; Lev 20:23; Prov 6:16-19; Hos 9:15; Rom 9:13, etc., etc.)?
Or we can take a text like Jn 12:19 wherein the Pharisees declared in their exasperation with Jesus that "the whole world has gone after him", which obviously spoken hyperbolically.
Many other such examples abound in scripture.
Universal terms are often used in a limited sense in scripture. We have to be careful in our exegesis and allow the full context of God's word to determine what sense we should understand any given passage. For example, take Jn 3:16. Did God so love each and every person in the world as so many interpret this text? But then how would we square such an interpretation with God also hating sinners (Ps 5:5; Lev 20:23; Prov 6:16-19; Hos 9:15; Rom 9:13, etc., etc.)?
Or we can take a text like Jn 12:19 wherein the Pharisees declared in their exasperation with Jesus that "the whole world has gone after him", which obviously spoken hyperbolically.
Many other such examples abound in scripture.
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This verse is found in 1 John 2:2 and reads, "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." The word "propitiation" means to appease or satisfy, and in this context, it refers to Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross as the means by which God's wrath against sin is satisfied.
The verse emphasizes that Jesus' sacrifice was not only for the sins of the believers to whom John was writing but also for the sins of the whole world.
This means that Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient to cover the sins of all people, regardless of their race, ethnicity, or background. However, it is important to note that while Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient for all, it does not mean that all will be saved. Salvation is received through faith in Jesus Christ, and those who reject Him will not receive the benefits of His sacrifice.
In summary, 1 John 2:2 emphasizes the universality of Jesus' sacrifice, which was sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world. However, it is only through faith in Jesus Christ that individuals can receive the benefits of His sacrifice and be saved from the consequences of sin.
J.
This verse is found in 1 John 2:2 and reads, "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." The word "propitiation" means to appease or satisfy, and in this context, it refers to Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross as the means by which God's wrath against sin is satisfied.
The verse emphasizes that Jesus' sacrifice was not only for the sins of the believers to whom John was writing but also for the sins of the whole world.
This means that Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient to cover the sins of all people, regardless of their race, ethnicity, or background. However, it is important to note that while Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient for all, it does not mean that all will be saved. Salvation is received through faith in Jesus Christ, and those who reject Him will not receive the benefits of His sacrifice.
In summary, 1 John 2:2 emphasizes the universality of Jesus' sacrifice, which was sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world. However, it is only through faith in Jesus Christ that individuals can receive the benefits of His sacrifice and be saved from the consequences of sin.
J.