Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

[Cameron143]

O really perhaps me needs to dig a little deeper
Bad days indeed!

If I dig it, you can dig it.

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm disturbed that there is a professor from Calvin who is stirring up strife. Do you know what his name is?

I live in the Grand Rapids, Michigan area, and Calvin College is a respected Christian College here. I've spent many hours in their world class library that facilitates great research opportunities.

Jesus and John Wayne

Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Professor of History and Gender Studies Calvin University

 

[ResidentAlien]

Jesus and John Wayne

Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Professor of History and Gender Studies Calvin University

Out of curiosity, what issues do you have with this author? I watched one of her interviews; and found a copy of her book online and looked through it briefly. I did detect a few issues I might have with her; but not having looked into her in detail I'm not sure. Overall it seems to me she has some good and very valid insights.

 

[SilverFox7]

Jesus and John Wayne

Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Professor of History and Gender Studies Calvin University

Thanks--I will stay away from her.

 

[SilverFox7]

The mob as you put it was largely calm. They were simply peaceably assembled. It was a massive group of people. A few did some things they shouldn't have. But your depiction as a "mob" means you have already succumbed to the idea that is a false narrative. BLM used mobs. ANTIFA used smaller mobs. They broke laws and destroyed property. This was by design. What happened at the Capitol was for the most part nothing like that. Do you really think police could have controlled a group of that size had it become a mob. The whole town would have been trashed.
I do think you should view as much tape from that day as possible. So much more has come out that refutes the left wing narrative. Also, alot has come out about government operatives in the crowd who incited the criminality that occurred.
Another aspect is the tape that has the police being told to fire upon those peaceably assembling in order to agitate an otherwise peaceful assembly.
All that I have mentioned and much more is available to you if you really want to know what happened. But you will have to overcome the bias that already exists because you have trusted biased resources. The idea that those who gathered were a mob is simply wrong. But if this is your first thought concerning the events, you will inevitably be skeptical when other information is presented.

As I stated in an earlier post within this forum, I have no problem with people who were there at the rally to peacefully protest (and praise to our God for those who went there as fellow Christians at the prompting of the Holy Spirit). That is a democratic blessing we have in our society, and civil disobedience against bad leadership, laws, and practices is necessary at times to fight back the forces of darkness.

Those who fall in the category of a "mob" that day from my law enforcement background are the ones who forced their way through police barricades, climbed walls, caused destruction to buildings and entered unlawfully into property and offices they had no business being in. Those instances are illegal activities (see link below for a short video and how Britannica summed it up using the word "mob" themselves to describe this lawlessness and out of control behavior).

January 6 U.S. Capitol attack | Britannica

I am definitely skeptical by nature and training as a professional, and I have my share of biases as well (Jesus is still chipping away at those ). Nevertheless, I strive for open-mindedness and a quest for the truth. What I've learned here in this discussion from you, Nehemiah, and others are definitely a part of my perspective now on this tragic day in our great nation's history. I don't doubt there is corruption involved, and the prince of darkness and his band of thugs probably had a blast participating in the mayhem, too.

 

[Cameron143]

As I stated in an earlier post within this forum, I have no problem with people who were there at the rally to peacefully protest (and praise to our God for those who went there as fellow Christians at the prompting of the Holy Spirit). That is a democratic blessing we have in our society, and civil disobedience against bad leadership, laws, and practices is necessary at times to fight back the forces of darkness.

Those who fall in the category of a "mob" that day from my law enforcement background are the ones who forced their way through police barricades, climbed walls, caused destruction to buildings and entered unlawfully into property and offices they had no business being in. Those instances are illegal activities (see link below for a short video and how Britannica summed it up using the word "mob" themselves to describe this lawlessness and out of control behavior).

January 6 U.S. Capitol attack | Britannica

I am definitely skeptical by nature and training as a professional, and I have my share of biases as well (Jesus is still chipping away at those ). Nevertheless, I strive for open-mindedness and a quest for the truth. What I've learned here in this discussion from you, Nehemiah, and others are definitely a part of my perspective now on this tragic day in our great nation's history. I don't doubt there is corruption involved, and the prince of darkness and his band of thugs probably had a blast participating in the mayhem, too.

The word bias has a negative connotation today. I never meant for it to be applied to you personally, but to the bias that was evident in what you shared. It was obvious to me that the source of your information was biased because it left out so much of what actually transpired. I was merely trying to point out that there is so much more to the story that you haven't considered. Whatever one makes of truth is fine by me. I just think to have informed positions and make informed decisions, the whole truth is necessary.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What I've learned here in this discussion from you, Nehemiah, and others are definitely a part of my perspective now on this tragic day in our great nation's history.

Yes. That whole J6 business is tragic, and Liz Cheney and her gang of liars made sure that the innocents would suffer. Here's the latest: "The Biden DOJ is now arresting Americans who stood outside the building, committed no crimes, but were standing in the unidentified “restricted ground” around the US Capitol that day. " (see article below)

PBS Documentary Reveals J6 Committee Was All Publicity Stunt Meant to Manipulate Audience – An Assault on the American Conscience (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/pbs-documentary-reveals-j6-committee-was-all-publicity/
Today there is video going viral from PBS where they January 6th Committee admits the entire thing was a publicity stunt meant to manipulate ordinary Americans.

Now should Liz Cheney and the entire Special Committee be arrested and imprisoned? Should Biden, Garland, and Biden's whole gang of thugs be arrested and imprisoned? Who's going to step up and do the right thing?

 

[SilverFox7]

The word bias has a negative connotation today. I never meant for it to be applied to you personally, but to the bias that was evident in what you shared. It was obvious to me that the source of your information was biased because it left out so much of what actually transpired. I was merely trying to point out that there is so much more to the story that you haven't considered. Whatever one makes of truth is fine by me. I just think to have informed positions and make informed decisions, the whole truth is necessary.

I took no offense to what you said--it's a charged issue for sure, and I obviously have a lot to learn about it as well.

Thank you for sharing my friend!

 

[SilverFox7]

Yes. That whole J6 business is tragic, and Liz Cheney and her gang of liars made sure that the innocents would suffer. Here's the latest: "The Biden DOJ is now arresting Americans who stood outside the building, committed no crimes, but were standing in the unidentified “restricted ground” around the US Capitol that day. " (see article below)

PBS Documentary Reveals J6 Committee Was All Publicity Stunt Meant to Manipulate Audience – An Assault on the American Conscience (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/pbs-documentary-reveals-j6-committee-was-all-publicity/
Today there is video going viral from PBS where they January 6th Committee admits the entire thing was a publicity stunt meant to manipulate ordinary Americans.

Now should Liz Cheney and the entire Special Committee be arrested and imprisoned? Should Biden, Garland, and Biden's whole gang of thugs be arrested and imprisoned? Who's going to step up and do the right thing?

Outrageous turning this into a media spectacle and circus. Yes, there needs to be accounting for those responsible.

Those who were at the rally peacefully and didn't engage in any violence need to be exonerated immediately.

 

[HeIsHere]

Out of curiosity, what issues do you have with this author? I watched one of her interviews; and found a copy of her book online and looked through it briefly. I did detect a few issues I might have with her; but not having looked into her in detail I'm not sure. Overall it seems to me she has some good and very valid insights.

I read the reviews after I made the mistake of buying the book which was a few years back.

I was able to find this one which I think is inline with how I felt about the book.
She has a somewhat derisive tone throughout the book towards Christians, rather annoying.

https://mereorthodoxy.com/accusations-arent-evidence-responding-jesus-john-wayne

She writes through the lens of critical theory and is a deconstructionist.
She also states....
Kristin Kobes Du Mez: Abortion is "sometimes a necessary thing...sometimes the lesser of two evils"

 

[ResidentAlien]

I read the reviews after I made the mistake of buying the book which was a few years back.

I was able to find this one which I think is inline with how I felt about the book.
She has a somewhat derisive tone throughout the book towards Christians, rather annoying.

https://mereorthodoxy.com/accusations-arent-evidence-responding-jesus-john-wayne

She writes through the lens of critical theory and is a deconstructionist.
She also states....
Kristin Kobes Du Mez: Abortion is "sometimes a necessary thing...sometimes the lesser of two evils"

Thank you for your response. Sometimes certain Christians need to be treated with derision in my opinion. It's probably best to just stop there.

 

[HeIsHere]

Thank you for your response. Sometimes certain Christians need to be treated with derision in my opinion. It's probably best to just stop there.

I understand that and agree, however it has to come from someone with noble intentions and integrity, I did not get that from her book at all, she wants to deconstruct, anyone influenced by Foucault is someone to stay away from.

When I read Alberta's book I sense the desire to yes reveal the problems but from a caring place, he is saddened by what he sees around him.

It's just a different more caring tone with him, unlike her, she is just an arrogant feminist who does not know what scripture teaches but then also wants to be a critic of Christians, I base this on the various interviews where she was asked about abortion, transgenderism etc.,

 

[SilverFox7]

I read the reviews after I made the mistake of buying the book which was a few years back.

I was able to find this one which I think is inline with how I felt about the book.
She has a somewhat derisive tone throughout the book towards Christians, rather annoying.

https://mereorthodoxy.com/accusations-arent-evidence-responding-jesus-john-wayne

She writes through the lens of critical theory and is a deconstructionist.
She also states....
Kristin Kobes Du Mez: Abortion is "sometimes a necessary thing...sometimes the lesser of two evils"

Not my cup of tea either.

 

[HeIsHere]

Not my cup of tea either.

I find it annoying that Christians on Twitter (X) praise her, someone who admits to be influenced by Foucault not Jesus.

 

[ResidentAlien]

LOL, I don't really have a problem with deconstruction. I think some people take it too far. But there's nothing wrong with casting aside false notions; it's called growth.

 

[SilverFox7]

I find it annoying that Christians on Twitter (X) praise her, someone who admits to be influenced by Foucault not Jesus.

I'm surprised she teaches for Calvin, a conservative Christian college. I can't imagine she's real popular on campus unless they are caving into liberalism, too.

Our government is a mess, but so are many universities. I've taught at the college level for many years, and I am really concerned with what I'm seeing as a result of the "progressive" wave crashing through the walls of institutions that are supposed to be a haven for scholars.

 

[SilverFox7]

LOL, I don't really have a problem with deconstruction. I think some people take it too far. But there's nothing wrong with casting aside false notions; it's called growth.

I'm a literary scholar, yet I just didn't get the deconstruction perspective.

 

[HeIsHere]

LOL, I don't really have a problem with deconstruction. I think some people take it too far. But there's nothing wrong with casting aside false notions; it's called growth.

In my view and humble opinion it depends on what is being deconstructed, a word with many meanings.
Du Mez asserts that evangelicalism as it stands needs to be undone because it is sexist, homophobic and racist.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In my view and humble opinion it depends on what is being deconstructed, a word with many meanings.
Du Mez asserts that evangelicalism as it stands needs to be undone because it is sexist, homophobic and racist.

I don't outright disagree with this either. I'm not willing to write her off because of statements like this; I'd be willing to give her a fair hearing.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm a literary scholar, yet I just didn't get the deconstruction perspective.

You don't get the concept of examining your beliefs?