Romans 8:1-2; 5:57 + 58b
Romans 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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Romans 8:1-2; 5:57 + 58b
Romans 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
I think it would be more appropriate to say our salvation is from the consequence of sin,
as in, we are spared the wrath of God, by grace through faith in Christ's shed righteous blood,
which reconciles us to God, and thereby escape the second death, having attained life ever after.
as in, we are spared the wrath of God, by grace through faith in Christ's shed righteous blood,
which reconciles us to God, and thereby escape the second death, having attained life ever after.
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We are saved by grace through faith and those with faith uphold His law Romans 3:31
Disobedience is what separated man from God- God does not change so we can't expect to follow that same path to receive a different result. Heb 4:11. Scripture tell us this Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 its a constant theme throughout scripture. If we love God we would want to obey everything His asks of us and have faith He is asking because its for our own God. His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 and that's for our own good. Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Disobedience is what separated man from God- God does not change so we can't expect to follow that same path to receive a different result. Heb 4:11. Scripture tell us this Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 its a constant theme throughout scripture. If we love God we would want to obey everything His asks of us and have faith He is asking because its for our own God. His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 and that's for our own good. Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9; 16:31; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).
The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9; 16:31; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).
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Does faith in Christ lead to obedience to Him or disobedience? I love you God and have faith in you, but I am going to do my own thing instead. Doesn't sound like the faith that saves.
We are not saved by keeping the law- we are saved by faith, but once someone comes to Christ in faith they want to obey Him. We are not saved in our sins- Mat 1:21 we have Jesus who forgives us when we confess and repent- which means a change in direction. When Jesus healed He said go and sin no more- no go and keep sinning.
The gospel is the good news, our salvation is in Jesus, but those in Christ live differently than those of the flesh. Romans 8:7-8 Rev 14:12
We are not saved by keeping the law- we are saved by faith, but once someone comes to Christ in faith they want to obey Him. We are not saved in our sins- Mat 1:21 we have Jesus who forgives us when we confess and repent- which means a change in direction. When Jesus healed He said go and sin no more- no go and keep sinning.
The gospel is the good news, our salvation is in Jesus, but those in Christ live differently than those of the flesh. Romans 8:7-8 Rev 14:12
You seem to be saying that not all saved are saved. Clearly much in Scripture differentiates two types of faith. The object of one’s faith is at the crux of the issue. Believing that Jesus is who He says He is, and trusting that His promises are true sets each of the redeemed on the pathway to eternal life. He knows who are His, and not one will be lost.
We are all wonderfully made, yet we are all wonderfully different. Our appearance, speech and culture sets us apart, and our common faith makes us brethren, children of the Most High.
We are all wonderfully made, yet we are all wonderfully different. Our appearance, speech and culture sets us apart, and our common faith makes us brethren, children of the Most High.
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Jesus tells us in His own words that those who do not submit to His will and practice lawlessness (without law) will not be saved. Mat 7:21-23
Why would we not want to obey everything Christ asks after everything He has done for us., I just do not understand why so many oppose to being obedient to our Creator and Savior. No government can withstand on lawlessness- Christ's government is no different. Disobedience separated man from God- it separated Lucifer and his angles from God. Why does one think we can follow the disobedient and be reconciled.
Scripture says this- one of the last verses before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Compared to the next verse - who is outside- the lawless. We all have choices to make. We can be a salve to God or a slave to sin. Those choices have consequences Romans 6:16
Worship to God is through obedience Mat 15:3-14 and that is part of the everlasting Gospel Rev 14:6-12
Why would we not want to obey everything Christ asks after everything He has done for us., I just do not understand why so many oppose to being obedient to our Creator and Savior. No government can withstand on lawlessness- Christ's government is no different. Disobedience separated man from God- it separated Lucifer and his angles from God. Why does one think we can follow the disobedient and be reconciled.
Scripture says this- one of the last verses before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Compared to the next verse - who is outside- the lawless. We all have choices to make. We can be a salve to God or a slave to sin. Those choices have consequences Romans 6:16
Worship to God is through obedience Mat 15:3-14 and that is part of the everlasting Gospel Rev 14:6-12
I agree, if we are in Christ we are going to obey His commandments. John 14:15-18 those who are not in Him are opposed to His law Romans 8:7-8.
The Commandments are like a mirror so we can see our sins Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 and our need for Jesus to cleanse and for sanctification and so we are depending on His righteousness Psa 119:172 and not our own because we can't sanctify ourselves, only God can Eze 20:12 Obedience to God shows complete trust in Him to live holy and righteous lives with Jesus leading as our example to follow 1 John 2:6. Disobedience shows our will over His.
The Commandments are like a mirror so we can see our sins Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 and our need for Jesus to cleanse and for sanctification and so we are depending on His righteousness Psa 119:172 and not our own because we can't sanctify ourselves, only God can Eze 20:12 Obedience to God shows complete trust in Him to live holy and righteous lives with Jesus leading as our example to follow 1 John 2:6. Disobedience shows our will over His.
Sharing scripture is not judging, Jesus will be all of our righteous Judge and He judges us based on the Ten Commandments. James 2:10-12. Jesus tells us to teach each other the commandments Mat 5:19
Encouraging people to break the least of the commandments is not being a good neighbor because Jesus said that those who break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and quotes directly from the Ten will be least in heaven Mat 5:19 and least in heaven means lost according to the next verse Mat 5:20. The majority of people are teaching others to be lost- that we can break the least of these and be in God's Kingdom, but it's not what Jesus said. He made that very clear. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 7:21-23
Back to my previous message, I'm not sure why we want argue against being obedient to God- we should have faith not only to hear what He tells us but the faith that motivates us in the heart that wants to obey Him because we love Him and would do anything that He asks. James 1:22 John 14:15
Encouraging people to break the least of the commandments is not being a good neighbor because Jesus said that those who break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and quotes directly from the Ten will be least in heaven Mat 5:19 and least in heaven means lost according to the next verse Mat 5:20. The majority of people are teaching others to be lost- that we can break the least of these and be in God's Kingdom, but it's not what Jesus said. He made that very clear. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 7:21-23
Back to my previous message, I'm not sure why we want argue against being obedient to God- we should have faith not only to hear what He tells us but the faith that motivates us in the heart that wants to obey Him because we love Him and would do anything that He asks. James 1:22 John 14:15
Agreed. The Ten Commandments sits under His mercy seat where Justice and Mercy come together. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will be in His Kingdom but he does His will which is revealed though His holy law. Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 Rev 14:12 We need to depend on His righteousness Psa 119:172 and His Truth Psa 119:151 and completely depend on Him and His works Exo 32:16 not our own.
In the KJV it says, 'handwriting of ordinances'.
Not so in the modern translations. Do you know why the KJV translates dogmasin as ordinances?
It looks as though the Sabbath crew must use the KJV only. That is my argument your now using.
The law (sabbath commandment) was given at Mt Sinai. I keep jumping up and down on Exodus 20.
Correct, God wrote it with His finger on two tablets of stone. That's my argument, the sabbath law is Exodus 20.
Do you understand? Sabbath law, law, law, law, ...
Your saying the sabbath law was written in Genesis. I'm saying it was written by God's finger in Exodus 20.
You need to straighten your interpretation out.
Your supporting my reading of the scripture again.
Singular or plural, the seventh day remains the seventh day.
There is only one sabbath, seventh day, recorded in the scripture.
There are not multiple kinds of seventh days.
The Sabbath day is a day of the week.
There is no such thing as an annual seventh day.
You can celebrate a given day as a sabbath rest but sabbath means the seventh day.
Written by God's own finger in Exodus 20![/Quote][/QUOTE]
Not so in the modern translations. Do you know why the KJV translates dogmasin as ordinances?
It looks as though the Sabbath crew must use the KJV only. That is my argument your now using.
The law (sabbath commandment) was given at Mt Sinai. I keep jumping up and down on Exodus 20.
Correct, God wrote it with His finger on two tablets of stone. That's my argument, the sabbath law is Exodus 20.
Do you understand? Sabbath law, law, law, law, ...
Your saying the sabbath law was written in Genesis. I'm saying it was written by God's finger in Exodus 20.
You need to straighten your interpretation out.
Your supporting my reading of the scripture again.
Singular or plural, the seventh day remains the seventh day.
There is only one sabbath, seventh day, recorded in the scripture.
There are not multiple kinds of seventh days.
The Sabbath day is a day of the week.
There is no such thing as an annual seventh day.
You can celebrate a given day as a sabbath rest but sabbath means the seventh day.
Written by God's own finger in Exodus 20![/Quote][/QUOTE]
No one is opposed to obedience. What people are objecting to is the requirement of obedience as a condition of salvation.
Also, Matthew 7:21-23 doesn't actually mean as you say. The ones Jesus tells to depart are those He doesn't know. Hence, they were never saved as eternal life consists in knowing God and Christ...John 17:3.
Also, Matthew 7:21-23 doesn't actually mean as you say. The ones Jesus tells to depart are those He doesn't know. Hence, they were never saved as eternal life consists in knowing God and Christ...John 17:3.
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