Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

[SilverFox7]

Thanks for your post. Christian nationalism goes back to Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. And Pat Robertson with his Christian Coalition. It's the marriage of Christianity and politics with the goal of making the US a "Christian nation" once again through the political and legal processes. They have a strong belief that the US was founded on a covenant relationship with God; that the US is the new Israel as God's chosen people. Back in the early days it was relatively benign, but lately they've become much more aggressive, as was demonstrated on January 6. This picture says it all.

This makes perfect sense, and I remember Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson very well. I also taught at Liberty University, founded by Falwell, for a semester. I certainly do not want to offend my Baptist brethren or any other Christians who are associated with these organizations, but some red flags are going off for me as Christian and social conservative, especially when I see "Nationalism" tied to Christianity. Sorry, that brings back some bad memories for me of the Nationalism we witnessed in history under Hitler and Mussolini.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for having Christians in political office, and I think it is an honor to serve our country and our God in that career. What concerns me is like Falwell and Robertson back in their day, there is a closed-mindedness, isolationism, and perhaps even a hint of arrogance and superiority in extreme views on how Christianity is applied to politics.

I enjoyed watching Falwell's Sunday morning worship service, and he was a really good teacher and quite a speaker/preacher as well. His messages were grounded in the Bible, the Gospel, and he focused on Jesus. The only turn off for me was he was quite aggressive at asking for donations, and the later part of his program was devoted to his revenue-generating campaign.

On the whole, though, Falwell and Robertson were not very popular in our culture and country as a whole in politics; they were viewed as extremists who were out of touch with the needs of the nation at that time.

Right now, I'm just advising caution. Trying to push a Christian agenda in Washington and make this a "Christian" nation under our initiatives alone is not feasible. Russell Kirk and T.S. Eliot are Christian scholars who have written extensively on this topic, and Eliot in particular said there is no way a Christian society on the whole is possible in the United States. We are too diverse and even divided in our ideologies. He did think it was a possibility for England and detailed his ideas in the following text:

A Christian nation and world on the whole are only possible when Jesus returns. In the meantime, we need to make the best of this "sordid tragedy" (Eliot), our fallen world.

I really appreciate the feedback I've received from you and everyone else on this important topic!

 

[PennEd]

PBS

Is a leftist and democrat propaganda tool insanely funded by my tax dollars.

Christian Nationalism

When you find out what the left sees as objectionable to "Christian Nationalism", you understand that most American Christians are Christian Nationals. Just simply break the words down. Are you a Christian? Do you think that America, and American politicians, should be vastly more concerned about Americans, rather than other countries?

If so on both questions, than guess what? BOOM! You are a Christian Nationalist.
Yes there may be a vocal tiny majority that label themselves that way that advocate bad, unconstitutional ideas, but thy are a VERY tiny minority. And may even be Feds trying to cause trouble. Certainly that one group you here about are ALL feds. I forget their name right now.

January 6, 2021 insurrection in Washington.

There was no "Insurrection". You have bought the lie apparently, probably because you rely and trust MSM propagandists like The New York Times and PBS.

This much is certain. Yrs ago, a Christian may be forgiven for voting for a democrat because they were ignorant. That is no longer the case today. It is impossible now to not recognize that they are actually pushing an anti American, Satanic agenda.
Those that vote Democrat are advocating for a Satanic agenda. Yes, we all know the GOP isn't exactly advocating the greatest things, but the difference in policy is so stark, I don't see how someone could be a Christian and still vote Democrat.

 

[ResidentAlien]

This makes perfect sense, and I remember Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson very well. I also taught at Liberty University, founded by Falwell, for a semester. I certainly do not want to offend my Baptist brethren or any other Christians who are associated with these organizations, but some red flags are going off for me as Christian and social conservative, especially when I see "Nationalism" tied to Christianity. Sorry, that brings back some bad memories for me of the Nationalism we witnessed in history under Hitler and Mussolini.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for having Christians in political office, and I think it is an honor to serve our country and our God in that career. What concerns me is like Falwell and Robertson back in their day, there is a closed-mindedness, isolationism, and perhaps even a hint of arrogance and superiority in extreme views on how Christianity is applied to politics.

I enjoyed watching Falwell's Sunday morning worship service, and he was a really good teacher and quite a speaker/preacher as well. His messages were grounded in the Bible, the Gospel, and he focused on Jesus. The only turn off for me was he was quite aggressive at asking for donations, and the later part of his program was devoted to his revenue-generating campaign.

On the whole, though, Falwell and Robertson were not very popular in our culture and country as a whole in politics; they were viewed as extremists who were out of touch with the needs of the nation at that time.

Right now, I'm just advising caution. Trying to push a Christian agenda in Washington and make this a "Christian" nation under our initiatives alone is not feasible. Russell Kirk and T.S. Eliot are Christian scholars who have written extensively on this topic, and Eliot in particular said there is no way a Christian society on the whole is possible in the United States. We are too diverse and even divided in our ideologies. He did think it was a possibility for England and detailed his ideas in the following text:

A Christian nation and world on the whole are only possible when Jesus returns. In the meantime, we need to make the best of this "sordid tragedy" (Eliot), our fallen world.

I really appreciate the feedback I've received from you and everyone else on this important topic!

I do believe a lot of them have their hearts in the right place; we need to be salt and light in the world. However, Christian nationalism has morphed into something very unChristian in my opinion. The people in this movement remind me of the ones in John 6:15 who wanted to take Jesus by force and make Him king; but He would have nothing to do with it.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for having Christians in political office, and I think it is an honor to serve our country and our God in that career. What concerns me is like Falwell and Robertson back in their day, there is a closed-mindedness, isolationism, and perhaps even a hint of arrogance and superiority in extreme views on how Christianity is applied to politics...

On the whole, though, Falwell and Robertson were not very popular in our culture and country as a whole in politics; they were viewed as extremists who were out of touch with the needs of the nation at that time.

Right now, I'm just advising caution. Trying to push a Christian agenda in Washington and make this a "Christian" nation under our initiatives alone is not feasible. Russell Kirk and T.S. Eliot are Christian scholars who have written extensively on this topic, and Eliot in particular said there is no way a Christian society on the whole is possible in the United States. We are too diverse and even divided in our ideologies. He did think it was a possibility for England and detailed his ideas in the following text:

A Christian nation and world on the whole are only possible when Jesus returns. In the meantime, we need to make the best of this "sordid tragedy" (Eliot), our fallen world.

Your points are taken.

But...and this is a big but. We Christians have been playing the silent majority, play along to get along card for so long that we have allowed things to get where they are. If we don't stand up and be counted now I am afraid we are out of time.

Why is every one else allowed to be radical but us? What is wrong with being radical. In fact the only people who have made any real differences have been those that were radical.

God's laws in the time of Moses were totally radical compared to the standards of the day...and today.

Every revival has been radical.

Martin Luther was radical.

Jesus was radical.

NO, the more I think about it the more irritated I get. All these people want us Christians to sit down and be quiet while they run rough shod over us and our country. I'm done being a door mat. Jesus wasn't. We are not called to be. Satan want's us to sit down and be quiet. Not our King. We are supposed to be a light shining on the hill. Shouting from the rooftops. Ambassadors of the Most High God. More than conquerors. Be strong and courageous, do not be afraid.

Thank you SilverFox7, you helped me remember just how indignant I am at our dereliction of duty, nay my dereliction of duty. It is time to stand up, be radical, do what our King has called us to do. My God is not one of passivity but action. He controls all things, He made all things, He holds all things together, by Him through Him and for Him. And He in his great Love chooses to not only allow us to participate but use us in the fulfillment of his plans.

LET THE FIRE BURN AND CONSUME MY HEART, CHANGE ME IN TO A BURNING TORCH FOR THE ALMIGHTY TO DO HIS WILL AS HE CHOOSES
FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD
MORE THAN ANYTHING I WANT TO HEAR THOSE BLESSED WORDS "WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT"

 

[HeIsHere]

Sorry, that brings back some bad memories for me of the Nationalism we witnessed in history under Hitler and Mussolini.

Like any term it takes on different meanings in different contexts and do not mean on the page but in practical terms.

Nationalism, as a concept in and of itself is not a bad thing but it has been used with bad motives mixed in.

 

[SilverFox7]

Is a leftist and democrat propaganda tool insanely funded by my tax dollars.


When you find out what the left sees as objectionable to "Christian Nationalism", you understand that most American Christians are Christian Nationals. Just simply break the words down. Are you a Christian? Do you think that America, and American politicians, should be vastly more concerned about Americans, rather than other countries?

If so on both questions, than guess what? BOOM! You are a Christian Nationalist.
Yes there may be a vocal tiny majority that label themselves that way that advocate bad, unconstitutional ideas, but thy are a VERY tiny minority. And may even be Feds trying to cause trouble. Certainly that one group you here about are ALL feds. I forget their name right now.


There was no "Insurrection". You have bought the lie apparently, probably because you rely and trust MSM propagandists like The New York Times and PBS.

This much is certain. Yrs ago, a Christian may be forgiven for voting for a democrat because they were ignorant. That is no longer the case today. It is impossible now to not recognize that they are actually pushing an anti American, Satanic agenda.
Those that vote Democrat are advocating for a Satanic agenda. Yes, we all know the GOP isn't exactly advocating the greatest things, but the difference in policy is so stark, I don't see how someone could be a Christian and still vote Democrat.

I am a Christian and social conservative who watches Fox News as well. I am not a Democrat and will not vote for them anymore in the future--way too liberal and their economic policies and border philosophy are complete train wrecks.

However, I am a scholar and educator who is committed to understanding all perspectives, even those that don't align with my views as a Christian. While PBS has a liberal slant as most of the media has, in my opinion, they have a balanced approach to world news and have a lot more in-depth coverage than the evening news programs on the big 3 networks.

How would you describe the events that happened on January 6 if it wasn't an insurrection/rebellion against our government? There were thugs who attacked law enforcement and stormed their way into buildings with the intent of causing destruction and even bodily harm to elected officials.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

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If you want or need anything printed out such as a prayer map etc. PM me and I'll do it at cost of materials and shipping. Materials are usually no more than $3 a square ft. Retail is $10+. No labor charge, nada. PM me and I'll make it happen.

 

[HeIsHere]

I am a Christian and social conservative who watches Fox News as well. I am not a Democrat and will not vote for them anymore in the future--way too liberal and their economic policies and border philosophy are complete train wrecks.

However, I am a scholar and educator who is committed to understanding all perspectives, even those that don't align with my views as a Christian. While PBS has a liberal slant as most of the media has, in my opinion, they have a balanced approach to world news and have a lot more in-depth coverage than the evening news programs on the big 3 networks.

How would you describe the events that happened on January 6 if it wasn't an insurrection/rebellion against our government? There were thugs who attacked law enforcement and stormed their way into buildings with the intent of causing destruction and even bodily harm to elected officials.

I would agree that there some in the group who would have, if they could have, taken over and set up a different government than the one "elected."

 

[SilverFox7]

It sure does. I was there on Jan 6th, got there at 5am and from 5am till 1pm I was there outside the whitehouse and I never saw anyone with this picture. Strange huh? Did they just wait until the invasion of the capital to pull it out? I'm wondering if Trump was not the only target of this false flag attack, but more than likely Christians were too.

I would add I took many pictures and videos while at the Whitehouse, if anyone had been holding this up high I would have caught it on my videos.

Wow--that had to be quite an experience to be at the capital on that day. I have no problem with people peacefully protesting--that's democracy in action.

Once it turned violent, however, I would have either split the scene or joined law enforcement trying to get the riot under control.

 

[ZNP]

Wow--that had to be quite an experience to be at the capital on that day. I have no problem with people peacefully protesting--that's democracy in action.

Once it turned violent, however, I would have either split the scene or joined law enforcement trying to get the riot under control.

I never went to the Capitol. I was cold, had been standing out there for 8 hours and so as soon as the speeches were over at the Whitehouse I went back to my hotel. I was planning to come back out at night for a candlelight vigil, but by the time I got to the hotel you could hear cop cars screaming around the city.

 

[SilverFox7]

I never went to the Capitol. I was cold, had been standing out there for 8 hours and so as soon as the speeches were over at the Whitehouse I went back to my hotel. I was planning to come back out at night for a candlelight vigil, but by the time I got to the hotel you could hear cop cars screaming around the city.

Crazy--that's a day I'm sure you will never forget! Talk about being alive and present when a historical event of that magnitude happened.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Cameron143]

Wow--that had to be quite an experience to be at the capital on that day. I have no problem with people peacefully protesting--that's democracy in action.

Once it turned violent, however, I would have either split the scene or joined law enforcement trying to get the riot under control.

You should really research what actually happened at the Capitol that day. It was nothing like what you believe. Think false flag event and begin with that perspective.

 

[Eli1]

The mixing of politics and faith is what i find problematic because if you follow this road to its conclusion you arrive at the typical Islamic state.

But if you separate politics from religion there's nothing wrong with a nation pursuing its ideals and what the majority wants.

For example, if we take the word "Nationalism" i don't see anything wrong with it despite the negative connotations that the left and the world in general has associated with it.

I see nationalism as a way for a nation to support and pursue its interests. As Trump put it "America first".
I kind of miss the Cold War too because there wasn't so much movement all over the world and every nation was "Nationalistic" when it came to their own borders.

 

[ZNP]

You should really research what actually happened at the Capitol that day. It was nothing like what you believe. Think false flag event and begin with that perspective.

Basic principle for 2020

 

[HeIsHere]

Wow--that had to be quite an experience to be at the capital on that day. I have no problem with people peacefully protesting--that's democracy in action.

Once it turned violent, however, I would have either split the scene or joined law enforcement trying to get the riot under control.

Do you think there were agitators in the crowd, drawing on people's emotions and then having them act in ways with little forethought?

 

[HeIsHere]

You should really research what actually happened at the Capitol that day. It was nothing like what you believe. Think false flag event and begin with that perspective.

False flag in part or completely?

 

[SilverFox7]

Do you think there were agitators in the crowd, drawing on people's emotions and then having them act in ways with little forethought?

I honestly do not know because I have never been in a crowd like that. Very complex psychology involved in crowd dynamics, and of course Satan and his cohorts love whipping up a frenzy.

 

[Cameron143]

False flag in part or completely?

People did break laws and should have consequences. But, as you suggest, there were hundreds of government minions who instigated and led in illegal behavior who were never punished. Those responsible for increased security refused it. Fake bombs were staged and conveniently found and reported. Video evidence was censored. Court documents are conveniently lost. They have cell phone data for everyone that day, except somehow the cell phone data in restricted areas where the fake bombs were placed was corrupted.
I could go on but I'd have to put on my tinfoil robe to continue. A tinfoil hat will only protect you so much these days.

 

[Susanna]

People did break laws and should have consequences. But, as you suggest, there were hundreds of government minions who instigated and led in illegal behavior who were never punished. Those responsible for increased security refused it. Fake bombs were staged and conveniently found and reported. Video evidence was censored. Court documents are conveniently lost. They have cell phone data for everyone that day, except somehow the cell phone data in restricted areas where the fake bombs were placed was corrupted.
I could go on but I'd have to put on my tinfoil robe to continue. A tinfoil hat will only protect you so much these days.

I’d like to see your evidence for this.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Here's a short excerpt from a New York Times' writer

NY Times is the primary source of Fake News. So if you want a Christian perspective, go here:

The Case for Christian Nationalism Paperback – Nov. 1 2022
by Stephen Wolfe (Author)




Evangelical elites and the progressive media complex want you to think that Christian nationalism is hopelessly racist, bigoted, and an idol for right-wing Christians. Is Christian nationalism the golden calf of the religious right---or is it the only way forward?

Few “experts” answering this question actually know what nationalism is--and even fewer know what could make it Christian. In The Case for Christian Nationalism, Stephen Wolfe offers a tour-de-force argument for the good of Christian nationalism, taken from Scripture and Christian thinkers ancient, medieval, and modern. Christian nationalism is not only the necessary alternative to secularism, it is the form of government we must pursue if we want to love our neighbors and our country.

Wolfe shows that the world’s post-war consensus has successfully routed the United States towards a gynocratic Global American Empire (GAE). Rather than the religious right’s golden calf, Christian nationalism is the idea that people in the same place and culture should live together and seek one another’s good. The grace of the gospel does not eliminate our geography, our people, and our neighbors. Instead, it restores us to pursue local needs and local leadership freely and without apology.

If you want to be able to answer the political debate raging today, you must understand the arguments in The Case for Christian Nationalism.
https://www.amazon.ca/Case-Christian-Nationalism-Stephen-Wolfe/