Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

[SoldierofChrist]

Hmmm...thinking about Jesus's ministry. 3 levels.

The World
Followers (and seeking?)
Inner Circle

 

[EszterBH]

Idk much about America, but I can tell what its like in my part of the world.

Among Hungarian nationalists there is strange confluence of Christian identitarianism and Turanism.

Turanism is the idea that Hungarians are related by blood to Turkic and East Asian peoples.

So you can see many Hungarian nationalists who hate Muslims but love Turks at the same time.

 

[Eli1]

I do not see that, I have been a member of a house church, it was awesome, it was a place to be re-energized, pray, study with people of the same mind...One in Christ.


The world is where we work and show our faith. A person who denounces God should not be a member of "ekklesia".. congregation.

You can be friends at the coffee shop.

I think that we sort of agree but if we iron out some of the details.

I have been a member of a church for many years. In this church we help a lot of unbelivers, people with depression, sickness etc.
We also enjoy the company of each other.
The Church ultimately is a gathering of us in a building but when we leave the building we are still the ambassadors of Christ to the world, so ultimately we are to be unshaken by the world and we will accept if someone knocks on the door the church for help but we will never change our path.

And yes, on a day-to-day basis with unbelievers at work, we still share a meal or a coffee while they fully know who we are.

 

[Eli1]

Idk much about America, but I can tell what its like in my part of the world.

Among Hungarian nationalists there is strange confluence of Christian identitarianism and Turanism.

Turanism is the idea that Hungarians are related by blood to Turkic and East Asian peoples.

So you can see many Hungarian nationalists who hate Muslims but love Turks at the same time.

I can understand this.
I'm from Albania originally. These things go centuries deep and you can't do much about them.
Northern Albanians are completely different compared to central (where i lived). I can't even understand their dialect.

 

[iamsoandso]

people need to do their own research and take other's words for things.

this is not 15-20 years ago. the t v media cannot be trusted.

I agree with this,, but the 15-20 year ago part I would rethink. The wicker-man was used to do the same in it's day,,Jesus said in the OD "RUMORS of wars". We know the the .10 novels and the newspapers invented gunslingers to help sell their media. Trying to fit this in the modern days though most people alive would fit in a group from about 2024-ww2 time-frame... Bare in mind this to me isn't an conspiracy because if you notice the Government after being caught openly stated that they were using the text books,radio,tv ect.(media) to manipulate the minds of different nations including the US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot

 

[HeIsHere]

I think that we sort of agree but if we iron out some of the details.

I have been a member of a church for many years. In this church we help a lot of unbelivers, people with depression, sickness etc.
We also enjoy the company of each other.
The Church ultimately is a gathering of us in a building but when we leave the building we are still the ambassadors of Christ to the world, so ultimately we are to be unshaken by the world and we will accept if someone knocks on the door the church for help but we will never change our path.

And yes, on a day-to-day basis with unbelievers at work, we still share a meal or a coffee while they fully know who we are.

Churches can have out reach ministries, yes that is important, but when gathering in worship of the living God that is the place of born again believers in Christ.

Scripture seems pretty clear on this....
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

I am sorry but this mixing of function and purpose over time has eroded the vitality of the church and what we have are Christians sorely lacking in discipleship.

 

[Eli1]

Churches can have out reach ministries, yes that is important, but when gathering in worship of the living God that is the place of born again believers in Christ.

Scripture seems pretty clear on this....
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

I am sorry but this mixing of function and purpose over time has eroded the vitality of the church and what we have are Christians sorely lacking in discipleship.

Well when you see this as a mixing then we may differ then, because unless you leave the world and become a monk, you can't really separate things as much as we'd like to.
It's also a difference of mindset between different denominations too.

 

[EszterBH]

I can understand this.
I'm from Albania originally. These things go centuries deep and you can't do much about them.
Northern Albanians are completely different compared to central (where i lived). I can't even understand their dialect.

I see

 

[HeIsHere]

Well when you see this as a mixing then we may differ then, because unless you leave the world and become a monk, you can't really separate things as much as we'd like to.
It's also a difference of mindset between different denominations too.

Are women allowed to be monks? LOL I'll pass.

We have hit a wall again lol, maybe one just needs to experience a home church to understand.

 

[Eli1]

Are women allowed to be monks? LOL I'll pass.

We have hit a wall again lol, maybe one just needs to experience a home church to understand.

Yes, they certainly are. They are called nuns. And this is where the term "culture shock" applies again because i realize that the terms "Monk" or "Nun" are directly related to the Catholic Church in the USA, whereas in other parts of the world are considered the highest form of worship and self-sacrifice.

 

[EszterBH]

Yes, they certainly are. They are called nuns. And this is where the term "culture shock" applies again because i realize that the terms "Monk" or "Nun" are directly related to the Catholic Church in the USA, whereas in other parts of the world are considered the highest form of worship and self-sacrifice.

They also exist in the Orthodox Church.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, they certainly are. They are called nuns. And this is where the term "culture shock" applies again because i realize that the terms "Monk" or "Nun" are directly related to the Catholic Church in the USA, whereas in other parts of the world are considered the highest form of worship and self-sacrifice.

I am a former Catholic, all believers in Christ are called to be separate.

 

[Eli1]

I am a former Catholic, all believers in Christ are called to be separate.

During my vacation in USA , i have learned that being freed from the Catholic Church or leaving the Catholic Church is seen as being Born Again.
But it's all good. The tides of history are bigger than us and despite some minor differences, Jesus Christ is the unifying figure for most of us.

 

[HeIsHere]

During my vacation in USA , i have learned that being freed from the Catholic Church or leaving the Catholic Church is seen as being Born Again.
But it's all good. The tides of history are bigger than us and despite some minor differences, Jesus Christ is the unifying figure for most of us.

I actually remained Catholic for a long time, was a member of small University chapel where I was a student, I loved it, the priest was good and the music was having the entire congregation sing.

But I moved so that brought an end to that... along with growing in the faith... sadly ritual may feed the soul but not the spirit.

So no, being born again is according to what Jesus teaches, some people leave the Catholic church because they are hungry for a deeper spiritual truth.

 

[SilverFox7]

Silver fox,
I am often direct when talking politics and current events, usually due to time constraints and trying to be clear enough to be understood without beating around the bush 20 pages. So, no argument from me as to whatever your stand is on this issue. Im sometimes opinionated on certain issues, but have grace for other views.

My main take away is that the new democrat voters flooding into the states are well planned operations. Those running those ops will use terminologies that demonize their opposition. They will probably stage a violent action and blame it on those who showed up at the border. They did that j6 and many times in the past. Around here sometimes it's hard to have a meet and greet church picnic without infiltrators showing up to instigate their deception. You would not believe it until you saw it.

I prefer directness and have no problem with you at all HealthAndHappiness--we've corresponded before and your views come across as sound-minded to me.

 

[SilverFox7]

Hi brethren,

PBS did a story on the Christian Nationalism movement here in the USA, and I would like to receive more feedback on this organization. Our speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, is apparently tied to this organization, and some Christian Nationalists are accused of being involved in the January 6, 2021 insurrection in Washington.

My initial reaction is we as Christians do not have a lot of direct success when we get too tied in with secular government, but I would like to receive other perspectives on this movement.

Here's a short excerpt from a New York Times' writer:

Opinion | Christian Nationalism ‘Is No Longer Operating Beneath the Surface’ - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

I found a link to the 2/1 episode of the PBS Newshour that had the segment on Christian Nationalism. It is roughly 30 minutes into the program:

PBS NewsHour | Season 2024 | February 1, 2024 - PBS NewsHour full episode | PBS

The person who is interviewed is Bradley Onishi, who has published a book recently entitled Preparing for War:

I'm not planning on buying this book but plan to dive into these views to understand what's happening with Christians and political leaders who are associated with Christian Nationalism, the New Apostolic Reformation, and An Appeal to Heaven flag.

 

[SilverFox7]

Thanks for your post. Christian nationalism goes back to Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. And Pat Robertson with his Christian Coalition. It's the marriage of Christianity and politics with the goal of making the US a "Christian nation" once again through the political and legal processes. They have a strong belief that the US was founded on a covenant relationship with God; that the US is the new Israel as God's chosen people. Back in the early days it was relatively benign, but lately they've become much more aggressive, as was demonstrated on January 6. This picture says it all.

I appreciate your response and just posted the following to my original thread. I'll comment further on your response in another posting.

I found a link to the 2/1 episode of the PBS Newshour that had the segment on Christian Nationalism. It is roughly 30 minutes into the program:

PBS NewsHour | Season 2024 | February 1, 2024 - PBS NewsHour full episode | PBS

The person who is interviewed is Bradley Onishi, who has published a book recently entitled Preparing for War:

I'm not planning on buying this book but plan to dive into these views to understand what's happening with Christians and political leaders who are associated with Christian Nationalism, the New Apostolic Reformation, and An Appeal to Heaven flag.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I prefer directness and have no problem with you at all HealthAndHappiness--we've corresponded before and your views come across as sound-minded to me.

Glad to hear that. I brought that up because in written format like this, it's easy to be misunderstood. My writing skills don't always convey the actual neutral or good attitude, but the unintentional converse.

You bring up a very good point that needs to be discussed as we see times ramping up towards the eventual Christian persecution to come in America. Those in communist and radical Muslim nations are familiar with that, be we Americans have enjoyed much freedom of speech and assembly.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

You bring up a very good point that needs to be discussed as we see times ramping up towards the eventual Christian persecution to come in America. Those in communist and radical Muslim nations are familiar with that, be we Americans have enjoyed much freedom of speech and assembly.

I do agree. Time is definitely coming. How soon, who knows. But I do believe the USA is ripe for judgment. What has this country done in the last 75 years to honor God? Not sure I can say. Can you? We murder our children, blaspheme His name, honor homosexuality, etc... He is so clear on these things. Our stay of execution has to end at some point. I find it best to prepare myself and those I love mentally as best as possible for that eventuality.

I walk through the steps with my children. If this happens, then what and let them answer....and keep on. What is the eventual conclusion? Physical death and in the arms of Jesus. And Hallelujah that is an awesome thing. No fear, no pain, no sorrow, just everlasting joy and peace. And those strong calm words, well done good and faithful servant. Eye on the prize baby, eye on the prize.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I do agree. Time is definitely coming. How soon, who knows. But I do believe the USA is ripe for judgment. What has this country done in the last 75 years to honor God? Not sure I can say. Can you? We murder our children, blaspheme His name, honor homosexuality, etc... He is so clear on these things. Our stay of execution has to end at some point. I find it best to prepare myself and those I love mentally as best as possible for that eventuality.

I walk through the steps with my children. If this happens, then what and let them answer....and keep on. What is the eventual conclusion? Physical death and in the arms of Jesus. And Hallelujah that is an awesome thing. No fear, no pain, no sorrow, just everlasting joy and peace. And those strong calm words, well done good and faithful servant. Eye on the prize baby, eye on the prize.

This week I read what led to God's rejection of Israel and eventually Judah as well.
I started thinking about the same things you mentioned. God's patience has lasted for decades and I don't have high hopes for the nation to change, (or most churches), in the right direction. There are churches who walk with the Lord and families within them reaching the lost, so hopefully that will at least temper God's decision to drop the hammer a while.