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And regardless the real question is if we should keep it holy today.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

There remaineth a rest, the word rest here is sabbatismos = a keeping sabbath.
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear Sabbatarians suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

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Because it swings both ways, both sides can believe what they want....
But there is other verses which can help to understand it.
The Bible clearly states that the sabbath was made for mankind.
It is also clear that it was made at creation.
And regardless the real question is if we should keep it holy today.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
There remaineth a rest, the word rest here is sabbatismos = a keeping sabbath.
Jesus keeps me. I rest in Him. None have to work to attain salvation. It is by grace through faith in His shed
righteous blood, that I may be reconciled to God, attain to life ever after, and escape the second death.
Many verses support this view, and many support this view. Further, Jesus worked on the Sabbath, and said
His Father continued to work on the Sabbath as well. So resting really is not what Sabbath-keepers think.



From Acts 15:20 plus 28

Matthew 11:28-30
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Because it swings both ways, both sides can believe what they want....

But there is other verses which can help to understand it.

The Bible clearly states that the sabbath was made for mankind.
It is also clear that it was made at creation.

And regardless the real question is if we should keep it holy today.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

There remaineth a rest, the word rest here is sabbatismos = a keeping sabbath.
The tricky part of your entire post is as follows.

What was the shadow law and what then was the law, after it's fulfillment by Jesus.

Take for example an earlier post by you.

Isaiah 56:7
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Is the text (Isaiah 56:7) referring to the old covenant or to the new covenant?

You are at a crossroad, careful how you step.
 

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In regard to Isaiah 56:2-7, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)

And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."

*The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)
A solid reply.

Especially regarding those 'Gentiles within your gates'.

Within Israel the law was nationwide and a Gentile living in Israel could be circumcised. Once the Gentile was circumcised
then, that Gentile could celebrate the Passover. Yet, the Gentile was strongly restricted in what was permissible within the law.
The Gentile would be treated like a Jewish brother but the Gentile, was never a descendant of Abraham. Hence, under the old covenant, the Gentile could never enter the temple. That was forbidden. In other words, the Gentile, is in fact, an outsider to the nation of Israel. Actually, a Gentile will always be a sojourner living in Israel. A Gentile cannot be a priest either. A Gentile cannot marry a Jewish woman. The list goes on.
 

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I disagree but, You can believe what you want.
That is not true.

The scripture clearly defines what a Christian must believe to be saved.
The real question is why don't you keep the sabbath holy today. Why don't you set it aside as a sanctified day?
Do you observe it today?
I don't keep the law because I am not under the law.

I refuse to be circumcised. The law was given to Israel and never given to the Gentiles.

If you build your belief on misinformed your will believe a lie.
You must believe in Jesus and confess Jesus to be saved, Romans 10:9. That is the truth.

To deny Jesus is the ultimate lie.
The 10 commandments are not the old covenant..and when God gave laws to Israel.
The old covenant was the book of the law, that is what the text tells us. The New Covenant was based on the blood of Christ. That is why the scripture calls it a NEW Covenant.

The ten commandments are listed in Exodus 20, there is no debate on this. The law contained the ten commandments. The law is the old covenant. Your trying to dismantle the law, divide the law, you cannot do that.

Sin is lawlessness, therefore any breach of any law is sinful.

Sin is lawlessness, applies to the law and the prophets. Further, the deeds of the flesh will keep you out of heaven. You need to expand your horizon, understand more deeply, what sin is really about.

No law, no violation, Gentiles are not judged according to the law.
 

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Jesus keeps me. I rest in Him. None have to work to attain salvation. It is by grace through faith in His shed
righteous blood, that I may be reconciled to God, attain to life ever after, and escape the second death.
Many verses support this view, and many support this view. Further, Jesus worked on the Sabbath, and said
His Father continued to work on the Sabbath as well. So resting really is not what Sabbath-keepers think.
No one is disagreeing with righteousness by faith.
100% righteousness is from Jesus. We can not earn it.
But....
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
1Jn 3:4-8
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
 

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The tricky part of your entire post is as follows.

What was the shadow law and what then was the law, after it's fulfillment by Jesus.

Take for example an earlier post by you.

Isaiah 56:7
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Is the text (Isaiah 56:7) referring to the old covenant or to the new covenant?

You are at a crossroad, careful how you step.
The old covenant was in place when Isaish was talking. At that time the old covenant was in place...

The old covenant was faulty did God give 10 commandments that were faulty. The better covenant is not faulty.

Back at you what faulty aspects were in the old covenant. What is more excellent in the new?

Heb 8:5-10
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 

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I don't keep the law because I am not under the law.
I don't keep it because I am under it. I don't keep it to earn salvation, I keep it because I love Jesus....

Because you are freed from the law by grace does that mean you can murder and take God's name in vain?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 3:3-4
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 

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I refuse to be circumcised. The law was given to Israel and never given to the Gentiles.
There are many examples of laws that were given to non Israelites.

Noah wasn't a Jew but was He able to steal and murder and take God's name in vain?
Cain murdered able and that was a sin.

If you understand who we are today, it wouldn't be about Gentiles or Jews but about being a child of God. About the heart.

We are not Jews outwardly but inwardly through faith in Jesus.

When Jesus was talking to the rich young ruler in Mathew 19, the question was asked, "16 ....Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

Was this for Jews only or for everyone?
If the 10 commandments were not relevant for all mankind then Jesus would not have quoted them here.
The same goes for Matt 5 when Jesus quotes 2 of the 10 commandments... if these laws were about to be made void why did Jesus tell us to keep them.

You can read Ex 31:13 and Eze 20: 12 to say the sabbath is only for the Jews.
But It does not say that. It does not say it is only for the Jew or that it isn't for all mankind.

It is saying that it is a sign between God and His children (Israel) forever.

But who are the children of Israel today?
Rom 2:28-29 KJV 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, .....
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Christians are the spiritual children of Israel today. I'm a seed of Abraham because of Jesus.
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Exo 31:13-17
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:......16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
A sign for ever...
A perpetual covenant

We are Jew inwardly and still children of Israel today through faith in Jesus.

The Sabbath is therefore relevant for all mankind today.
 

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When Jesus was talking to the rich young ruler in Mathew 19, the question was asked,
"16 ....Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

Was this for Jews only or for everyone? If the 10 commandments were not
relevant for all mankind then Jesus would not have quoted them here.
Jesus did not quote the ten commandments in answer to the rich young ruler's question.

Guess which one was left off? (I hope you know the Sabbath commandment was not mentioned.)
 

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Jesus did not quote the ten commandments in answer to the rich young ruler's question.

Guess which one was left off? (I hope you know the Sabbath commandment was not mentioned.)
Quoted from the 10 commandments.

God gave a law called the 10 commandments. They are a set of 10 laws written on stone by God.

You can cut out part or say only part of it applies, but the law was set as the 10 commandments. 10 not 9, or 8 or 5.

Mat 19:17-19 ......but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said,

....Thou shalt do no murder,
....Thou shalt not commit adultery,
....Thou shalt not steal,
....Thou shalt not bear false witness,
....19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

These were not mentioned....
Thou shalt not covit,
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

All of these are not mentioned but that does not mean they are not to be kept.
 

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No one is disagreeing with righteousness by faith.
100% righteousness is from Jesus. We can not earn it.
But....
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
1Jn 3:4-8
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Sugar coated double talk which "adds" works to righteousness by faith/100% righteousness from Jesus and soon as you said But....

We establish or uphold the law (Romans 3:31) by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

In regard to Romans 6:16, works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow saving faith in Christ" are "unto righteousness," as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so-called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22-23)

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense: servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.

In regard to Matthew 5:19, what did Jesus say in the very next verse? 20 - unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. I'll bet that statement from Jesus came as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective. The apostle Paul makes it clear in Romans 10:3-4, "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES."

1 John 3:4-8 is not about sinless perfection. 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; (descriptive of unbelievers) and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] commits (practices) sin. AMPC) 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
 

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Quoted from the 10 commandments.

God gave a law called the 10 commandments. They are a set of 10 laws written on stone by God.

You can cut out part or say only part of it applies, but the law was set as the 10 commandments. 10 not 9, or 8 or 5.

Mat 19:17-19 ......but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said,

....Thou shalt do no murder,
....Thou shalt not commit adultery,
....Thou shalt not steal,
....Thou shalt not bear false witness,
....19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

These were not mentioned....
Thou shalt not covit,
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

All of these are not mentioned but that does not mean they are not to be kept.
The reason those weren't mentioned was because those were the ones the rich young ruler had not kept from his youth. In fact, he wasn't keeping them in the then present. Rather than point this out directly, Jesus sets before him a choice. In doing so, He shows the young man what was actually in his heart. He did not love God more than his wealth, and it became very apparent to him. That's is the cause for his sadness and his departing. Had he preferred God before all else, such a choice would have had a different outcome.
 

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There are many examples of laws that were given to non Israelites.

Noah wasn't a Jew but was He able to steal and murder and take God's name in vain?
Cain murdered able and that was a sin.
You said that Noah was not a Jew.

So what commandments was Noah given?
 

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Sugar coated double talk which "adds" works to righteousness by faith/100% righteousness from Jesus and soon as you said But....

We establish or uphold the law (Romans 3:31) by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

In regard to Romans 6:16, works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow saving faith in Christ" are "unto righteousness," as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so-called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22-23)

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense: servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.

In regard to Matthew 5:19, what did Jesus say in the very next verse? 20 - unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. I'll bet that statement from Jesus came as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective. The apostle Paul makes it clear in Romans 10:3-4, "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES."

1 John 3:4-8 is not about sinless perfection. 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; (descriptive of unbelievers) and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] commits (practices) sin. AMPC) 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
You quoted these verses and tried to justify why we should not practice righteousness by obedience to the law.

Faith without works is dead..

We can't do anything to please God without faith. We can by faith obey the law.

If you have a bad habit of taking God's name in vain, and by faith you are changed in heart, and then you by faith recieve God's Spirit, and stop the habit of sinning (taking God's name in vain), you can say the end is freedom from that sin.

God wants to free us from sin.
I agree that the righteousness given in Justification frees us from sin we had done. But are we to continue in sin? Are we to stay slaves to sin? No
Sanctification is about removing sin from the life. God wants to cure and remove the sin completely.

Act 10:35 But in every nation, the man who has fear of him and does righteousness is pleasing to him.

Notice the act of doing righteousness.
Rom 6:12-13
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

I am not promoting righteousness in order to be saved. I am saying that righteousness will follow the in the life of the save.

Faith will result in corresponding works.

Do you believe we should act like Jesus? Do you think we should allow God to transform us into the image of Christ?
Sanctification by faith.

How are you any different then the devil
Who believes in Jesus and understands the gospel truth but makes no choice to give up evil?
 

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You said that Noah was not a Jew.

So what commandments was Noah given?
Do you think Noah was dishonouring his parents, killing, stealing, lying, coveting, comiting adultery, taking God's Name in vain, making graven images, having god's before the Lord Almighty, or forgetting the Sabbath?

Most will agree that 9 of these commandments were kept by Noah even without solid biblical proof. But its not comfortable to say he kept 1 of them.
 

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Act 5:32 KJV And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

The Holy Spirit is given to those that obey Him
 

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The reason those weren't mentioned was because those were the ones the rich young ruler had not kept from his youth. In fact, he wasn't keeping them in the then present. Rather than point this out directly, Jesus sets before him a choice. In doing so, He shows the young man what was actually in his heart. He did not love God more than his wealth, and it became very apparent to him. That's is the cause for his sadness and his departing. Had he preferred God before all else, such a choice would have had a different outcome.
Regardless, the point is that these laws were mentioned and Jesus said to keep them.
The 10 commandments are a set of laws and people keep removing the ones that don't suit their lifestyle.
 
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