The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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Yes, the poor people from that generation forever...don't leave out the forever. The entire chapter is about what man has said vs what God has said. God will cut off man's words, but his words will endure forever.
1 Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3 The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
1 Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3 The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
As per the promise in Psalms 12:7:
I think there are several different ways in which God keeps the poor and the godly (which also includes the keeping of His words).
God keeps the godly and the poor in the same place that Lazarus went to (Luke 16:19-31).
No doubt, they will one day be resurrected bodily to be in God's Kingdom for eternity. (1 Corinthians 15)
Jesus said, For ye have the poor always with you" (Matthew 26:22).
Jesus said, "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?" (Matthew 6:26). So God provides, and thus they are kept or preserved.
Now, while the godly will also be kept, their life on this Earth is a little different than the poor.
Psalms 37:25 says, "I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread."
But we know the godly and the poor will be preserved because God's words are pure without the corruptions of men upon those words through time. We know about how the godly and the poor are preserved today in the fact that His words are preserved today. God keeps His promises. The word of the LORD is tried (2 Samuel 22:31).
2 Samuel 22:31
A synonym for tried is "time tested."
Source:
https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Tried
Conclusion:
God’s words have been time-tested, and they always turn out to be true. They are pure words that have been preserved for us today so that we can fully trust them. We know the godly and the poor are kept because His very words are trustworthy enough through time.
I think there are several different ways in which God keeps the poor and the godly (which also includes the keeping of His words).
God keeps the godly and the poor in the same place that Lazarus went to (Luke 16:19-31).
No doubt, they will one day be resurrected bodily to be in God's Kingdom for eternity. (1 Corinthians 15)
Jesus said, For ye have the poor always with you" (Matthew 26:22).
Jesus said, "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?" (Matthew 6:26). So God provides, and thus they are kept or preserved.
Now, while the godly will also be kept, their life on this Earth is a little different than the poor.
Psalms 37:25 says, "I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread."
But we know the godly and the poor will be preserved because God's words are pure without the corruptions of men upon those words through time. We know about how the godly and the poor are preserved today in the fact that His words are preserved today. God keeps His promises. The word of the LORD is tried (2 Samuel 22:31).
2 Samuel 22:31
"As for God, his way is perfect;
the word of the LORD is tried:
he is a buckler to all them that trust in him."
A synonym for tried is "time tested."
Source:
https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Tried
Conclusion:
God’s words have been time-tested, and they always turn out to be true. They are pure words that have been preserved for us today so that we can fully trust them. We know the godly and the poor are kept because His very words are trustworthy enough through time.
I don't give a flying flip what the "Textual Critic's perspective" is. I think for myself.
Still another asinine assumption. You just don't learn.
Wrong. I'm stating quite confidently that the KJV-only perspective on this verse is incorrect because its holders consistently IGNORE the words "from this generation". If you are preserving something FROM something else forever, that is not the same as saying you are preserving that thing forever. It's simply not addressing that issue. Have you asked yourself why God would need to preserve His pure words from a corrupt generation that speaks proudly and abuses the poor and needy? Perhaps your god is too small!
As it's not my line of logic, I'll simply remind you that the psalmist's words are not completely new information, never before revealed to humankind. Your examples, both of which predate this psalm, prove that.
Still another asinine assumption. You just don't learn.
Wrong. I'm stating quite confidently that the KJV-only perspective on this verse is incorrect because its holders consistently IGNORE the words "from this generation". If you are preserving something FROM something else forever, that is not the same as saying you are preserving that thing forever. It's simply not addressing that issue. Have you asked yourself why God would need to preserve His pure words from a corrupt generation that speaks proudly and abuses the poor and needy? Perhaps your god is too small!
As it's not my line of logic, I'll simply remind you that the psalmist's words are not completely new information, never before revealed to humankind. Your examples, both of which predate this psalm, prove that.
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Do you not believe the oldest and best manuscripts are the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus?
Do you not defend Textual Criticism?
Speaking of donkeys: This pic of a donkey truly exemplifies how much we can learn from animals.
If I assumed wrongfully in the fact that you never considered the KJV position using verses 3-4, then you have my apologies.
May the love of lots of kittens rub against you today filling you with a love for all of God's good creation praising the Lord's name.
I don't see the line of your logic here, my friend.
Even if "this generation" was the starting point (Which I don't believe it is), forever ("for ever" - KJV) is a statement that refers to eternity here. So from that starting point to eternity would automatically imply preservation if it is talking about both God's people and His words being kept or preserved (Which I believe it is).
So how exactly do you understand the words "for ever" (forever) in this chapter?
How are God's people and the poor being kept forever?
I gave you examples in Scripture where God keeps the godly and the poor before this Psalm was written with the examples of Enoch and Job.
Do you not defend Textual Criticism?
Speaking of donkeys: This pic of a donkey truly exemplifies how much we can learn from animals.
If I assumed wrongfully in the fact that you never considered the KJV position using verses 3-4, then you have my apologies.
May the love of lots of kittens rub against you today filling you with a love for all of God's good creation praising the Lord's name.
I don't see the line of your logic here, my friend.
Even if "this generation" was the starting point (Which I don't believe it is), forever ("for ever" - KJV) is a statement that refers to eternity here. So from that starting point to eternity would automatically imply preservation if it is talking about both God's people and His words being kept or preserved (Which I believe it is).
So how exactly do you understand the words "for ever" (forever) in this chapter?
How are God's people and the poor being kept forever?
I gave you examples in Scripture where God keeps the godly and the poor before this Psalm was written with the examples of Enoch and Job.
I see the phrase "from this generation" in Psalms 12:7 as merely a re-iteration of His promise (that this generation can hear), and not as some starting new promise that never existed before.
It's like Romans 7:7.
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7).
Surely we see God condemning the world for sin or evil doings in the global flood. Yet, there were no written-down Laws of Moses during that time. So there had to be a way for them to know of God's laws without the two tablets of stone and the Torah.
God declares the end from the beginning.
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10).
God’s counsel (words) will stand.
It's like Romans 7:7.
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7).
Surely we see God condemning the world for sin or evil doings in the global flood. Yet, there were no written-down Laws of Moses during that time. So there had to be a way for them to know of God's laws without the two tablets of stone and the Torah.
God declares the end from the beginning.
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10).
God’s counsel (words) will stand.
So consider the following:
The Psalmist is speaking from his limited perspective in Psalms 12.
The Psalmist is saying “from this generation” (from his perspective) just like the Psalmist speaks from his perspective in Psalms 113:2 when he uses the words “from this time”. It’s not God directly speaking here (Although they are the inspired words of God by the Holy Spirit).
The Psalmist is speaking from his limited perspective in Psalms 12.
The Psalmist is saying “from this generation” (from his perspective) just like the Psalmist speaks from his perspective in Psalms 113:2 when he uses the words “from this time”. It’s not God directly speaking here (Although they are the inspired words of God by the Holy Spirit).
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When the word ‘from’ follows the word ‘preserve’, it doesn’t mean the temporal ‘from’, which is what you are arguing. Rather, it means ‘away’ or ‘at a safe distance’. God promises to preserve the poor and needy at a safe distance from the vile and wicked. You don’t preserve food from the day it was frozen, but from spoilage and infestation.
The words “for ever” does signify the concept of time here, though.
So I am not sure how you get around that here.
You also have to ignore the pure words of the Lord in verse 6 (Which is only possible if they are preserved).
You cannot have pure words of God today (by the words of the Bible) for the people without preservation of those words.
You don’t believe there is any perfect Bible on God’s green Earth. Yet, the Bible says of itself that the words of the LORD are pure words. This can only be if they exist perfectly today by the act of preservation by God’s hand.
So I am not sure how you get around that here.
You also have to ignore the pure words of the Lord in verse 6 (Which is only possible if they are preserved).
You cannot have pure words of God today (by the words of the Bible) for the people without preservation of those words.
You don’t believe there is any perfect Bible on God’s green Earth. Yet, the Bible says of itself that the words of the LORD are pure words. This can only be if they exist perfectly today by the act of preservation by God’s hand.
What is being preserve forever here is God's words. Preservation is to keep in its existing state. That is impossible to mankind, whereas, man by nature is corrupt, hence, he will not be keep alive or in safety forever. Only the words of God will be preserve forever. This generation is tied up to time. The preservation related to distance is to keep away from being corrupted. From unfaithful scribes or editors.
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