my time line charts

[10-22-27]

Douggg, I can see you have put a great deal of time and effort into this project of yours, and that you take it very serious, as we all should. As a Christian brother, I would like to thank you for your efforts to get at the truth of this very complicated puzzle Daniel, John and others have left for us.

In my approach on the subject, I do not attempt to put the details of Revelation into the overview Daniel gives us. To me, Daniel's prophesies can be compared to being in a plane flying at 30,000 feet. When you look at the land below, you get an overall view of the land for miles. Daniel from chapter 1 to 12, gives us a view of history over a period of 2600 years. But John gives us a detailed description of the final seven years which I believe are left as a warning for the people of Israel.

Several more question I have for you, have you established a specific year when all this is going to start?

You have probably posted it before, what's your position on the (rapture) of the church, pre, mid or post?

And I still don't know what your start point is. Mine begins in 598 B.C. when the daily sacrifice was taken away, via Nebuchadnezzar removing the precious vessels from the temple. One more issue, what do you do with the 2300 days Daniel speaks of in 8:14?

 

[douggg]

Several more question I have for you, have you established a specific year when all this is going to start?

Yes, actually I have. But as a "no later than year". The 7 years should begin no later than the end of 2030.

I should add, I was influenced about 15 years ago by popular end times commentators to think that the no later then year - was no later than 2011, as they were all saying.

Their big mistake, once that year came and went as a failure, was that they based the parable of the fig tree generation on the May 14, 1948, of Israel a nation back in the land. i.e 1948 + 70/generation = 2018 minus 7 years = 2011.

Their mistake, although reasonable, was that the fig tree represented Israel.

That's when I start looking at Jerusalem as the fig tree. Which I found in Matthew 21:19 that Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the path on his way into Jerusalem, along with the disciples, knowing that he would be rejected by Jerusalem as their King messiah.

So, using 1967, when Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews, as the base year...

1967 + 70/generation = 2037 minus 7 years = 2030

btw, as a side note, the Temple Institute, a Jewish organization with the long term agenda to build the third temple, was established in 1967 as well. https://templeinstitute.org/

 

[douggg]

And I still don't know what your start point is. Mine begins in 598 B.C. when the daily sacrifice was taken away, via Nebuchadnezzar removing the precious vessels from the temple. One more issue, what do you do with the 2300 days Daniel speaks of in 8:14?

What I do with the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 - is to consider that the daily sacrifice has to begin again to trigger the beginning of the 2300 days.

So day 2520 (last day of the 7 years) minus 2300 = 220. The daily sacrifice will begin again of day 220 of the time line. Or around 7 months into the 7 years.

Here is one of my charts.

Below that chart, I also show the 2300 days on my main chart, near the top.

 

[douggg]

You have probably posted it before, what's your position on the (rapture) of the church, pre, mid or post?

I believe in the possibility of a pre-trib (pre-70th week) rapture.

Pre-trib used to be my main rapture view - but about five years ago I have expanded my view to what I call the anytime rapture view - i.e. anytime between now and the day the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood- which triggers the beginning of the Day of the lord ( called the day of Christ in 2Thessalonains2:2).

i.e. the rapture has to take place before the beginning of the Day of the Lord.

I adopted the "any time" in Luke 21:34-36 as the title of my rapture view, Those verses seem to be talking about the rapture.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Here is a chart I made showing the rapture window of the anytime rapture view.

 

[10-22-27]

Yes, actually I have. But as a "no later than year". The 7 years should begin no later than the end of 2030.

I should add, I was influenced about 15 years ago by popular end times commentators to think that the no later then year - was no later than 2011, as they were all saying.

Their big mistake, once that year came and went as a failure, was that they based the parable of the fig tree generation on the May 14, 1948, of Israel a nation back in the land. i.e 1948 + 70/generation = 2018 minus 7 years = 2011.

Their mistake, although reasonable, was that the fig tree represented Israel.

That's when I start looking at Jerusalem as the fig tree. Which I found in Matthew 21:19 that Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the path on his way into Jerusalem, along with the disciples, knowing that he would be rejected by Jerusalem as their King messiah.

So, using 1967, when Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews, as the base year...

1967 + 70/generation = 2037 minus 7 years = 2030

btw, as a side note, the Temple Institute, a Jewish organization with the long term agenda to build the third temple, was established in 1967 as well. https://templeinstitute.org/

Were close, I believe this year will be a traumatic year for Israel and the Middle East. My timeline if correct will begin between the April 24, 2024, when Passover begins, and can be up to 43 days later, in early June. Jesus left his disciples a little over 40 days after his resurrection. This is based on Hosea 5:15, the Lord is speaking, "I will go and return to my place, till they (the Jews) acknowledge their offence," that happened in 31 A.D. He goes on and tells us he will begin to heal Israel in 2 days. This has to be 2000 years. bringing us to 2031.

 

[10-22-27]

Yes, actually I have. But as a "no later than year". The 7 years should begin no later than the end of 2030.

I should add, I was influenced about 15 years ago by popular end times commentators to think that the no later then year - was no later than 2011, as they were all saying.

Their big mistake, once that year came and went as a failure, was that they based the parable of the fig tree generation on the May 14, 1948, of Israel a nation back in the land. i.e 1948 + 70/generation = 2018 minus 7 years = 2011.

Their mistake, although reasonable, was that the fig tree represented Israel.

That's when I start looking at Jerusalem as the fig tree. Which I found in Matthew 21:19 that Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the path on his way into Jerusalem, along with the disciples, knowing that he would be rejected by Jerusalem as their King messiah.

So, using 1967, when Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews, as the base year...

1967 + 70/generation = 2037 minus 7 years = 2030

btw, as a side note, the Temple Institute, a Jewish organization with the long term agenda to build the third temple, was established in 1967 as well. https://templeinstitute.org/

Do you not think you would be better served if you considered Matthews comments concerning, "This generation shall not pass, till all these thing be fulfilled." Did a little investigating on this. The average Israeli citizen has a life span of 83 years. Now take May 14, 1948, and add 83 years, it takes us to 2031.

 

[douggg]

Were close, I believe this year will be a traumatic year for Israel and the Middle East. My timeline if correct will begin between the April 24, 2024, when Passover begins, and can be up to 43 days later, in early June. Jesus left his disciples a little over 40 days after his resurrection. This is based on Hosea 5:15, the Lord is speaking, "I will go and return to my place, till they (the Jews) acknowledge their offence," that happened in 31 A.D. He goes on and tells us he will begin to heal Israel in 2 days. This has to be 2000 years. bringing us to 2031.

It is possible that the 7 years will begin in April 24, 2024 to 43 days later (early June), that window. It may indeed turn out like that.

 

[douggg]

Do you not think you would be better served if you considered Matthews comments concerning, "This generation shall not pass, till all these thing be fulfilled." Did a little investigating on this. The average Israeli citizen has a life span of 83 years. Now take May 14, 1948, and add 83 years, it takes us to 2031.

Interesting.

I have considered something similar, as a caveat to my calculations. Psalms 90:10 indicates a generation to be 70 years - but if by strength, 80 years.

10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Yes, actually I have. But as a "no later than year". The 7 years should begin no later than the end of 2030.

Yes, we should be watching and waiting for the Lord's return. But a lot of people have been making predictions and setting dates for a long time and none of them have been right. What would you say to your critics who point this out? Why should we take you any more seriously than all those before you who have been wrong?

 

[10-22-27]

Interesting.

I have considered something similar, as a caveat to my calculations. Psalms 90:10 indicates a generation to be 70 years - but if by strength, 80 years.

10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Douggg, I have always like to play around with numbers. The best chronologist says October 23, 4004 B.C. is the day of creation. I believe it's when Adam and Eve were booted from the garden, that when time began as we know it today. Abraham was born 2000 years later. Moses came 500 years later. David 500 years after Moses.

Exactly 4000 years after the fall, in the middle to end of October of 4 B.C. Mary gave birth to the Lord. For 4000 years, men have waged their war against God, but when Jesus was born it is said, Luke 2:14, Jesus brought with him, God's "Peace and good will toward men." Thirty-three and one-half years later, in 31 A.D. the war started up again. Add 2000 years to the 4000, brings us to 2031.

David purchased the land on Mt. Moriah for the Lord's house during the Philistine wars, 973 B.C. about three years before he died in 970 B.C. Add 3000 years to 973 we wind up in 2027, about the time I believe the great tribulation begins.

Just for conversation, the following doesn't mean anything but take 6000 years and divide it by 9 months, the full term of a woman is pregnancy, from conception to birth. It come to nine periods of 666.666 years. Romans 8:22, "For we know that the whole creation groans and travails (suffers birth pangs) in pain together until now." Add Jesus peac on earth good will toward men, 33.5 years, = 2031.

 

[10-22-27]

Yes, we should be watching and waiting for the Lord's return. But a lot of people have been making predictions and setting dates for a long time and none of them have been right. What would you say to your critics who point this out? Why should we take you any more seriously than all those before you who have been wrong?

ResidentAlien, glad to see you in this important conversation. Concerning your comments about "making predictions and setting dates" let me ask the question, 'What is a prophesy? it's a prediction of future events. When is it not a prophesy? When no one witnesses it coming to pass.

Now what we're talking about are the prophesies in Daniel, Revelation, Hosea, and Matthew, many have been proven by history, the few that remain are only now being revealed. I believe the clues have been hidden in the Scriptures until now.

Example, Revelation 11:9, after the two witnesses are murdered, their bodies shall remain in the street of Jerusalem, "And the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies." Without satellite technology, it would be impossible for the world to witness these things. So why reveal it to people 100 years ago, they would not have a clue what we're talking about.

Revelation talks about Israel in its prophecies. For 1900 years there was no Israel until 1948, today there is.; prophecies fulfilled. Now we can move on to the next prophesy.

Matthew speaks of a time of trouble like no other time in history, billions will be killed. Without nuclear weapons, how could the prophesy be fulfilled. And without ballistic missiles how could they have been deployed? But now we understand how.

Within the past 60 or 70 years, we are witnessing a falling away of believers like never before in history, prophesy fulfilled.

These are only a few reasons why I believe these last prophecies are coming to light now.

 

[douggg]

Yes, we should be watching and waiting for the Lord's return. But a lot of people have been making predictions and setting dates for a long time and none of them have been right. What would you say to your critics who point this out? Why should we take you any more seriously than all those before you who have been wrong?

What I would say is that in the parable of the fig tree, Jesus gave a not later than (that generation passing away) range. And that is what I am going by.

Date setters usually give a specific year, not a range. Some may yet to be proved to be right. I don't know.

 

[ResidentAlien]

So, using 1967, when Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews, as the base year...

1967 + 70/generation = 2037 minus 7 years = 2030

You're betting the farm on a date: 1967.

 

[douggg]

You're betting the farm on a date: 1967.

1967 ? Yes.

 

[douggg]

"the person" goes through 5 roles on the way to his destruction.

the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

Here is a chart I made of those roles....

 

[Poinsetta]

What I would say is that in the parable of the fig tree, Jesus gave a not later than (that generation passing away) range. And that is what I am going by.

Date setters usually give a specific year, not a range. Some may yet to be proved to be right. I don't know.

Haha so you're saying we have a range? Hmm wow

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Wow so the rapture starts in 2030 and I'm a preterist ok. ..

 

[douggg]

Here is a version of the seven years events from the start to the finish - in two half's of the 7 years.

 

[douggg]

 

[douggg]

Revelation 17:
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.