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Yes. The Babylonian Talmud, of all places. Is Babylon mentioned in bible prophecy, I wonder? ;-)
From what I heard it wasn't very respectful of our Lord. So, do Talmudic Jews get a pass because they decided to move to a location once occupied by Israel when Jesus walked from town to town? ;)
When I read the Bible I don't remember Him giving the people back then a pass if they rejected Him.
 

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Whenever I grew up, the name Muhammad only was in reference to the famous heavyweight boxer. It's kind of an inside joke, so when I read that title, of course I had to take it a little bit with that American stereotype. We never used to know any Muslims because they were not known of in our town. Now there are lots of Saudis, some Iraq's, etc. mostly who attend the Universities.

The following will be the best teaching I've heard so far on the subject, so I'll post it for everyone's edification. It's probably important to know a little bit about the religion of folks we wish to share Jesus with.

One thing to keep in mind is that their scriptures from Mohammed came hundreds of years after the warning at the end of Revelation.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book."
Revelation 22


There are statements and writings that come out constantly by those who claim to be God's Holy Word in violation to the closure of the completed Revelation.
Can you think of any?


Islam in Light of the Bible


Islam in Light of the Bible part 2
 

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[Those committing warcrimes in Gaza are largely of the Babylonian Talmudist religion, not Judaism. The Babylonian religious adherents try to hide under the banner of Judaism, when it's a completely different religion. As is evidenced by Jesus' criticism of the Pharisees in the New Testament.
Jesus on What was to become the Talmud


Jesus is ALSO spoken of in the Talmud link

The Talmud is MUD in the eyes of the spiritually blind who need JESUS as their Savior.
 

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. You need to find a better link with an honest person.

The only person I see here being dishonest is the one who is making your false railing accusation.
He has quoted from the Talmud.
I agree with him. It's a blasphemous, wicked UNholy book.
If you want to promote Judaism, knock yourself out. I'll have Nothing to do with what has been sending people to hell for thousands of years.
I stand with my Lord Jesus Christ on this.

"13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
 

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The only person I see here being dishonest is the one who is making your false railing accusation.
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He says women shouldn't vote, you agree with that?! He says a women shouldn't go to a male doctor? Still backing this pony?!

- He said that if he had a button he could push and every homosexual would fall over dead, he would do it till he broke his finger

- He said the only advice he has for homosexuals is to put a bullet in their heads.

- He says a homosexual person CANNOT be saved

Still want to stand behind this person?!

- He says once you are saved you will never go to hell, even if you commit a murder.

- He says if you are saved you can sin on a repeated basis, be a drunk, fornicate, commit murder

- He states that you cannot know if a person is saved.

-He does not believe in repentance of sins

- He says that LGBTQ stands for "Let God Burn Them Quickly"

- He said he hates Obama and prays for his death

The only person I see here being dishonest is the one who is making your false railing accusation.

This is only some of his false doctrine. I could keep going so you may want to suck back those words on who is being dishonest. Because if you believe all he believes you are one messed up person. Oh and about the Judaism, I'm Pentecostal. smh You might want to listen a little more before you speak. This man is a fraud!! Period!!
 
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Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....

At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.
As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.

In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200.[20] The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Phlegon (born in AD 80) wrote that Jesus was alive, died, and arose to life after his death.

By no means is this an exhaustive list (just a simple one compiled by a church pastor). There are other “evidences” that Jesus lived, died, and came back to life. My prayer for you is that you accept him as your Savior that died for you. Because it is through faith in Him that you are saved and will spend eternity in heaven with Him.
https://mwtb.org/products/pmt-histo...ection-of-jesus-christ?variant=41248406306996
Yes,They never actually killed him. Jesus was alive, died, and arose to life after his death.
 

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The true historical depictions of Muhammad show that he's definitely not an individual to be followed or emulated.
But some Christians are now claiming that Muhammad may be a myth...
 

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The Truth about Muhammad
1) The messsage of Islam is intertwined with its messanger. Allegiance to one implies allegiance to the other.
2) Muslims who question Allah are usually tolerated by other Muslims, but questioning Muhammad is grounds for excommunication or worse.
3) Islamic theology has accorded him the title "al-Insan al-Kamil", which translates to "the man who has attained perfection".
4) Because of hadith and tradition, Muslim religion, culture, heritage, and identity all find their core in the person of Muhammad.
5) Muslims see an attack on Muhammad's character as equivalent to a personal attack on them and everything they stand for.
6) Islam comes from the same Arabic root word that means "peace". According to Muslims, the life of Muhammad rreflects this.
7) According to Muslims, on the day that Muhammad conquered Mecca, Muhammad forgave meccans despite their horrific treatment of Muslims.
8) According to Muslims, the other battles Muhammad fought were all defensive.
9) According to Muslims, Muhammad knew about subjects like embryology, astronomy, and geology, knowledge he could have attained only if Allah had revealed it to him. However, there are problems with many of the Quranic verses that are obvious to physicians and other scientists. For example, The Quran 23: 13-14 reads, "Then we made him a sperm in a fixed lodging. Then we made the sperm a hanging (thing), then we made the hanging into a chewed (thing), then we made the chewed into bones, then we clothed the bones with flesh, then we developed it into another crreation, so blessed be Allah, the best of creators." The verse explains the sequential development of an embryo, but the sequence is incorrect. An embryo does not first become bones to be later clothed with flesh. One layer of an embryo, the mesoderm, differentiates into bone and flesh at the same time.
10) The Quran: 9.5 But when the forbidden (four) months are over, then fight and kill the (distrusted) pagans wherever you find them, and catch them, attack them, and stay waiting for them in every stage (of war); But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then make it easy for them: Verily, Allah is Often Forgiving , Most Merciful.
11) The hadiths ( stories, sayings, rituals and traditions attributed to Mohammad) were written 200 to 250 years after Muhammad. From Muhammad to that time the stories were passed down orally.
12) Almost everything Muslims know about Muhammad comes to them orally, rarely from primary sources.
13) Unlike Christians learning about Jesus from the Bible, the Quran has very little to say about Muhammad.
14) The earliest records of Muhammad's life expressly admit that they have intentional alterations.
15) Muhammad's first biography, "Sirat Rasul Allah" by Ibn Ishaq comes down to our day only through the transmission of a later biographer, Ibn Hisham.
16) In his introduction, Ibn Hisham explains that he altered the story of Muhammad's life. "Things which it is disgraceful to discuss, matters which would distress certain people, and such reports as [my teacher] told me he could not accept as trustworthy--all these things I have omitted." Found in Ibn Hisham's notes; Guillaume, Life of Muhammad, page 691.
17) The hadith Sahih Bukhari consists of 9 volumes that almost all Muslims consider the most historically authentic.
18) In the first volume, the third hadith, Muhammad's first revelation in the Cave of Hira, instead of recounting that the angel simply asked Muhammad to recite, Muhammad reports that " the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore." Each time the angel asked Muhammad to recite, the angel applied unbearable pressure. After his encounter with the angel, Muhammad returned to his wife terrified, his "heart beating severely."
19) Volume 9 hadith 111 (9.1110 describes the same event. It said that when Muhammad saw Gabriel, his "neck muscles twitched in terror," and when Gabriel had gone for a while, the Prophet became so depressed "that he intended several times to throw himself from the top of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would apppear before him and say, ' O Muhammad. You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth, whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down."
20) In Volume 1 hadith 24, Muhammad says , " I have been ordered by Allah to fight against people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity...then they will save their lives and property from me."
21) The previous statement (#20) contradicts the Quran's clear statement that "there is no compulsion in religion."
22) Volume 1 hadith 25 says that the greatest thing a Muslim can do after having faith is to engage in jihad. As if to clarify what kind of jihad, Sahih Bukhari clarifies, "religious fighting."
23) In Guillaume's, Life of Muhammad, the translator used Ibn Hisham's abridgement of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah. On page 676 Muhammad ordered a warrior to assassinate a mother of five, Asma bint Marwan. She was breastfeeding a child when she was murdered, her blood splattering on her children. When the assassin told Muhammad he had difficulty with what he had done, Muhammad showed no remorse.
24) In Guillaume's, Life of Muhammad, page 464: in the aftermath of the Battle of the Trench, Muhammad captured and beheaded over 500 men and teenage boys from the Jewish tribe of Quraya. After the Muslims killed the men, they sold the women and children into slavery and distributed their goods among themselves.
25) This account is also found in both hadith and sirah (biographies).
26) Islam commands Muslims to have no more than 4 wives at a time, Yet Mahammad had at least 7 at one point. The Quran 33;50 says Muhammad had special privilege.
27) According to Sahih Bukhari, volume 7, hadith 62.64, 62.65, and 62.88 and Sahih Muslim 8.3310 and8.3311 Aisha was 6 when Muhammad married her, and he consummated the marriage with her 3 years later, when he was 52.
28) Muhammad had been poisoned; on his deathbed, he felt as if the poison was killing him; he had black magic cast on him. Sahih Bukhari volume 3 hadith 47 verse 786 (3.47.786). Also 5.59.713 and 4.54.490.
29) He revealed versus he later admitted had been from Satan. Guillaume's Life of Muhammad pages 165-166.
30) He tortured people for money. Ibid.,515
31) He led an attack on unarmed Jews. Sahih Bukhari 1.11.584
32) He caused his adopted son to divorce so he could marry his daughter-in-law, Zaiab. Quran 33.37; Sahih Muslim 8.3330; Tabari volume 8, pages 2-3
33) He told people to drink camel's urine. Sahih Bukhari 8.82.794; Sahih Muslim 16.4130
34) In the 1940s Martin Lings, an English scholar who converted to Sufi Islam, wrote an internationally acclaimed, comprehensive, and authoritative account of the life of Muhammad the prophet. The title of the book is "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources" It has been published in12 languages, and has received numerous awards, including acknowledgement as best biography of the prophet in English at the National Seerate Conference in Islamabad. The conference was attended by Muslim clerics from around the world. The chapter titled "The Threshold of War" seems to say that it was the Muslims who were the first aggressors against Mecca after Muhammad had migrated to Medina. Muhammad sent 8 Muslims to lie in wait for a Meccan trade caravan during the holy month. Even though this was a time of sacred truce for Arabs, the Muslims killed one man, captured2 others, and plundered their goods.
31) Most Muslims have a copy of the Quran but have never read any of the hadiths themselves. What they know about Muhammad is what they hear orally from a person called an Imam who leads them in prayer to Allah and tells them sugarcoated stories about Muhammad.
32) How can a man like Muhammad be a prophet of God? He certainly wasn't a man who had attained perfection. I hope this helps you understand what kind of man Muslims ignorantly glorify.
33) All of this information comes from a book written by a devout Muslim who converted to Christianity, Nabeel Qureshi. The title of the book is " Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus.
6) Islam comes from the same Arabic root word that means "peace". According to Muslims, the life of Muhammad rreflects this.
Not what i have been told.. Islam means submission as far as i know..

8) According to Muslims, the other battles Muhammad fought were all defensive.
No way..
 

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I'm bringing up this topic because i see another topic from ThunderMental, but since that guy can't speak English, i'm continuing here.
The topic in question is : How does the Koran view Jesus?
A quick search reveals that Koran says that Jesus didn't die on the cross but was taken up in the sky directly. Or another version says that he escaped to India (LOL) and another person died in his place.

Now, i mean no offense to Muslims because i'm not here to condemn you to Hell or anything involving Salvation, but your book is the first major conspiracy flat-earth book and i can't follow it logically.

So, everything people saw and everything the historians talked about Jesus dying on the cross is ... an illusion? A hoax?
This is similar to flat-earthers or people who say "we never went to the moon".

So, again, this is not a judgment of where you're going but more like i can't follow your conspiracy-theory logic in the fact of human experience.
You're not being serious basically with this explanation of Jesus so i can't take you seriously.
 
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I'm bringing up this topic because i see another topic from ThunderMental, but since that guy can't speak English, i'm continuing here.
The topic in question is : How does the Koran view Jesus?
A quick search reveals that Koran says that Jesus didn't die on the cross but was taken up in the sky directly. Or another version says that he escaped to India (LOL) and another person died in his place.

Now, i mean no offense to Muslims because i'm not here to condemn you to Hell or anything involving Salvation, but your book is the first major conspiracy flat-earth book and i can't follow it logically.

So, everything people saw and everything the historians talked about Jesus dying on the cross is ... an illusion? A hoax?
This is similar to flat-earthers or people who say "we never went to the moon".

So, again, this is not a judgment of where you're going but more like i can't follow your conspiracy-theory logic in the fact of human experience.
You're not being serious basically with this explanation of Jesus so i can't take you seriously.
I prefer to be thought of as more than just that guy thanks 😊
 

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Now, i mean no offense to Muslims because i'm not here to condemn you to Hell or anything involving
Salvation, but your book is the first major conspiracy flat-earth book and i can't follow it logically.
The Koran cannot be followed logically because it is not laid out in any chronological order.
Instead, the verses are presented in order of descending length.
 

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The Koran cannot be followed logically because it is not laid out in any chronological order.
Instead, the verses are presented in order of descending length.
Makes no sense.
This is worse than some atheist logic because the Koran says that it's a conspiracy and most of the atheists don't even say that.
They accept the historical Jesus, but the Koran has done an amazing job in the conspiracy department to confuse the historical Jesus.
 

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Makes no sense.
This is worse than some atheist logic because the Koran says that it's a conspiracy and most of the atheists don't even say that.
They accept the historical Jesus, but the Koran has done an amazing job in the conspiracy department to confuse the historical Jesus.
It is a false doctrine and a vile one. Unless they repent and are born again, they will not see heaven.
 

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The Koran cannot be followed logically because it is not laid out in any chronological order.
Instead, the verses are presented in order of descending length.
My guess would be you are more learned on this topic than most people here. I know some but not as much as you do. I think we may have talked about this several years ago.
 

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My guess would be you are more learned on this topic than most people here. I know some
but not as much as you do. I think we may have talked about this several years ago.
Yes, I posted concerning Islam a fair bit back around 2016, I think...

I had Christians (well, they said they were) calling me a racist because of it.

Imagine that. Calling Islam a race. Besides, I was mostly simply conveying what Islam taught.

Another thing some don't realize is that all originals of the Quran were burned. So we had one fella
coming here telling us that the Quran was uncorrupted unlike the Bible etc, but with no originals,
how would anyone know? They were destroyed due to discrepancies between them.