The evil rapture and the evil evangelists. 👍
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At this point it is worth pointing out
The rapture is not a biblical word and is translated from the greek word harpazo, which means snatch away and to seize.
Also the rapture should be seen as a journey to another world that started happening at the cross
So not let me be clear
It has not fully happened but started happening.
The rapture is not a biblical word and is translated from the greek word harpazo, which means snatch away and to seize.
Also the rapture should be seen as a journey to another world that started happening at the cross
So not let me be clear
It has not fully happened but started happening.
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@Thunderrr-mental 's Post #2, where you said:
Your idea here ^ does not take into account the particular grammar of v.17 (1Th4), which says,
"shall be caught up together with them"
[G726 - shall be caught up/away - VERB]
[G260 - together - ADVERB]
The verb and the adverb go together, so that the "snatch-action [verb; G726]" for both (both aspects of the "ONE BODY") takes place at the same time, or "together [adverb; G260]".
It seems you have this occurring person-by-individual-person throughout the course of the past near-2000 years, rather than (as this text tells us) "together [G260]" (a one-time "snatch [G726]" that happens [to both aspects of the "ONE Body"] at a singular point in time, i.e. "TOGETHER [G260]"--together, as the "ONE BODY" that we are)
Your idea here ^ does not take into account the particular grammar of v.17 (1Th4), which says,
"shall be caught up together with them"
[G726 - shall be caught up/away - VERB]
[G260 - together - ADVERB]
The verb and the adverb go together, so that the "snatch-action [verb; G726]" for both (both aspects of the "ONE BODY") takes place at the same time, or "together [adverb; G260]".
It seems you have this occurring person-by-individual-person throughout the course of the past near-2000 years, rather than (as this text tells us) "together [G260]" (a one-time "snatch [G726]" that happens [to both aspects of the "ONE Body"] at a singular point in time, i.e. "TOGETHER [G260]"--together, as the "ONE BODY" that we are)
@Thunderrr-mental 's Post #13,
no, I haven't forgotten the "analambanō [G353]" of Eph6:16; but that's not what we've been discussing.
no, I haven't forgotten the "analambanō [G353]" of Eph6:16; but that's not what we've been discussing.
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this is the great trubulation
the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
The Parable of the Leaven
33 Another parable He spoke to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three [c]measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
Prophecy and the Parables
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them, 35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:
“I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
The Parable of the Hidden Treasure
44 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.
The Parable of the Pearl of Great Price
45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
The Parable of the Dragnet
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, [e]Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every [f]scribe instructed [g]concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
53 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. 54 When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, [h]Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” 57 So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” 58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
The Parable of the Leaven
33 Another parable He spoke to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three [c]measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
Prophecy and the Parables
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them, 35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:
“I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
The Parable of the Hidden Treasure
44 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.
The Parable of the Pearl of Great Price
45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
The Parable of the Dragnet
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, [e]Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every [f]scribe instructed [g]concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
53 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. 54 When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, [h]Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” 57 So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” 58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
so how do you separate the goats from sheep here then ) now I wish that Jesus does not come back to rule with a rod,
But by the looks of it he will.
Ok well Abram was born in modern day Iraq
So did the God create Islam for a purpose ?
Joseph most loved son of Jacob was rescued by the midianites, who prevented Joseph being drowned in a well by his brother's.
The midianites are known to have been descendants of Ishmael and Abraham's other sons. Who then became Jacobs sons
Joseph who got married to an Egyptian women gave birth to Ephraim and Manasseh.
how is Ismael important to this.
well Ismael represents the same story as Jacob and esau the twins who would Give birth to two nations
both first borns in Jewish tradition should have inherited the first rights. But the bible indicates they never, but they did receive a promise of God.
Ismael is more interesting as his descendants, the midianites, would save Joseph who would have been thrown out by his family and killed
Ismael was also sent away by his family.
but God loved Ismael and grew up with Ismael as a boy and trained him to be an archer, and how to live in hostility with his brother's because Ismael would have felt great pain for being cast out.
The name Ismael means God hears me. Because God grew up with him as a boy
The belief is also That Ishmeal was a prophet because God heard his mum's pleas to rescue him from Abraham's Jealous wife Sarah.
Sarah Who agreed in the first place to let Abraham have a child to Hagar, so Hagar had no right to be jealous.
God gave hagar and Ishmael a promise that a great nation would arise from Ismael.
It's interesting that Ismael's descendants the midianites knew to save Joseph from the well from suffering the same fate as Ishmeal and esau
There must have been someone in the midianites who where descendants of Ismael who was also a prophet that God heard the call to go and rescue Joseph from the well.
Why well God must have layed it on the brothers of Joseph's hearts to not kill Joseph
And God must have brought the Ishmaelites at that moment, because how long would those brothers have waited before they killed there brother ?
Then we see the same story with Zachariah in the Qur'an Zacharia was known to protect Mary from king Herod.
Did some of those midianites become Muslims too.
Well Joseph did marry an Egyptian women who gave birth to Ephraim and Manasseh.
But you have to wonder would the Jews have kept Mary safe during the birth of Jesus.
Because King Herod ordered all children under Two to be killed known as the massacre of innocent in search of Jesus.
So was Zachariah related to the midianites too.
But also we see Zachariah keeping quiet about John the Baptist for 9 months too.
Then also we see how Ismael's promise can be found in Jesus
As God said to Ismael you will live in Great hostility with your brother's.
Well to live in this way also means to suffer in this way to fit your brother's
Well so to did Jesus, and so he does today live this way with brothers.
And brothers of Jesus live this way and God hears us like Ismael.
But then this is only the start of the ismael story 😊
So we see the promise unfold the same way yes
But by the looks of it he will.
Ok well Abram was born in modern day Iraq
So did the God create Islam for a purpose ?
Joseph most loved son of Jacob was rescued by the midianites, who prevented Joseph being drowned in a well by his brother's.
The midianites are known to have been descendants of Ishmael and Abraham's other sons. Who then became Jacobs sons
Joseph who got married to an Egyptian women gave birth to Ephraim and Manasseh.
how is Ismael important to this.
well Ismael represents the same story as Jacob and esau the twins who would Give birth to two nations
both first borns in Jewish tradition should have inherited the first rights. But the bible indicates they never, but they did receive a promise of God.
Ismael is more interesting as his descendants, the midianites, would save Joseph who would have been thrown out by his family and killed
Ismael was also sent away by his family.
but God loved Ismael and grew up with Ismael as a boy and trained him to be an archer, and how to live in hostility with his brother's because Ismael would have felt great pain for being cast out.
The name Ismael means God hears me. Because God grew up with him as a boy
The belief is also That Ishmeal was a prophet because God heard his mum's pleas to rescue him from Abraham's Jealous wife Sarah.
Sarah Who agreed in the first place to let Abraham have a child to Hagar, so Hagar had no right to be jealous.
God gave hagar and Ishmael a promise that a great nation would arise from Ismael.
It's interesting that Ismael's descendants the midianites knew to save Joseph from the well from suffering the same fate as Ishmeal and esau
There must have been someone in the midianites who where descendants of Ismael who was also a prophet that God heard the call to go and rescue Joseph from the well.
Why well God must have layed it on the brothers of Joseph's hearts to not kill Joseph
And God must have brought the Ishmaelites at that moment, because how long would those brothers have waited before they killed there brother ?
Then we see the same story with Zachariah in the Qur'an Zacharia was known to protect Mary from king Herod.
Did some of those midianites become Muslims too.
Well Joseph did marry an Egyptian women who gave birth to Ephraim and Manasseh.
But you have to wonder would the Jews have kept Mary safe during the birth of Jesus.
Because King Herod ordered all children under Two to be killed known as the massacre of innocent in search of Jesus.
So was Zachariah related to the midianites too.
But also we see Zachariah keeping quiet about John the Baptist for 9 months too.
Then also we see how Ismael's promise can be found in Jesus
As God said to Ismael you will live in Great hostility with your brother's.
Well to live in this way also means to suffer in this way to fit your brother's
Well so to did Jesus, and so he does today live this way with brothers.
And brothers of Jesus live this way and God hears us like Ismael.
But then this is only the start of the ismael story 😊
So we see the promise unfold the same way yes