TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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@Cameron143 don't let it bother you buddy
Apparently there scholars who teach people
But obviously there scholars who mock people right.
Apparently there scholars who teach people
But obviously there scholars who mock people right.
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Absolutely I agree with that view. In fact it is very consistently the case.
Furthermore, why exactly do you think I am here so stridently exerting myself?
Because there is a doctrinal 3 alarm fire going on here....
Furthermore, why exactly do you think I am here so stridently exerting myself?
Because there is a doctrinal 3 alarm fire going on here....
Let me ask you then because some things may have crept in without being noticed,,, in Matthew 27:52-53 and Collisions 1:18 do you believe the saints rose first three days before the Lord or that Jesus was the first born of the dead? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/27.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1.htm
I don't have a good explanation of Matthew 23:39 at present. I know the assumption is that He is speaking to the Pharisees, but His disciples are also there. So I would need to research this further.
As far as Matthew 24, the language employed in verse 31 is decreation language, as opposed to creation language. When new things come about, the language of creation is employed. For example, those who are in Christ are spoken of as new creations. In like manner, when judgment is referred to, language such as you see here is employed. Darkness replaces light, stars fall rather than go through their natural courses, and the established order of creation are spoken of as disrupted. You find this in Peter's writings, Isaiah, etc.
Verse 30 that you underlined says they will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven. What is that sign? It doesn't say they will see the Son of man. That sign is the destruction of Israel. This is the evidence that Jesus is who He said He was and is in heaven exercising the authority and power that was granted Him. Thus, seeing Him coming isn't referring to His physical presence but the effects of the sign which is what is causing their mourning. And what they all see is the administration of His power and glory which is restored to Him back in heaven.
His elect in the following verse is not Israel but all who have believed as a result of gospel as it has spread throughout the known world.
As far as Matthew 24, the language employed in verse 31 is decreation language, as opposed to creation language. When new things come about, the language of creation is employed. For example, those who are in Christ are spoken of as new creations. In like manner, when judgment is referred to, language such as you see here is employed. Darkness replaces light, stars fall rather than go through their natural courses, and the established order of creation are spoken of as disrupted. You find this in Peter's writings, Isaiah, etc.
Verse 30 that you underlined says they will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven. What is that sign? It doesn't say they will see the Son of man. That sign is the destruction of Israel. This is the evidence that Jesus is who He said He was and is in heaven exercising the authority and power that was granted Him. Thus, seeing Him coming isn't referring to His physical presence but the effects of the sign which is what is causing their mourning. And what they all see is the administration of His power and glory which is restored to Him back in heaven.
His elect in the following verse is not Israel but all who have believed as a result of gospel as it has spread throughout the known world.
Matt 23~~ 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Matt 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Zech 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Matt 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Zech 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Lol I'm thinking of becoming a vegetarian to help scared animals @Cameron143 In the zombie apocalypse 😋
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I've gone over the first 2 verses. So what is the sign of the Son of man in Matthew 24:30?
Zechariah 12:10 is saying much the same as Matthew 23:37-38. Jesus has extended every grace to Israel and would succor them, but they refuse and reject Him and this becomes a source of great mourning to them. In like manner in Zech 12:10 God has been exceedingly gracious to Israel, but they put Him to death which becomes a source of bitter mourning and desolation rather than cause for rejoicing.
Verse 39 I haven't figured out yet of Matthew 23.
Zechariah 12:10 is saying much the same as Matthew 23:37-38. Jesus has extended every grace to Israel and would succor them, but they refuse and reject Him and this becomes a source of great mourning to them. In like manner in Zech 12:10 God has been exceedingly gracious to Israel, but they put Him to death which becomes a source of bitter mourning and desolation rather than cause for rejoicing.
Verse 39 I haven't figured out yet of Matthew 23.
Indeed they were among those who were teaching the resurrection had already taken place(2 Timothy was written approx. ad0 64-65 so 30+ years after the DBR) also there is 1 Timothy 1:20 Hymenaeus(same as in 2 timothy 2), and Alexander who were given over to Satan because of their blasphemy(teaching the resurrection already took place before ad64-65) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/1.htm
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Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:31 is a promise that God made to the children of Israel, in Deuteronomy 30 ....
that if they strayed away from Him and be sent in the nations, that if they should return to Him spiritually , that He would gathered them physically back from the nations to the land of Israel of their forefathers, no matter how far away they were driven. "from one end of heaven to the other"
"from one end of heaven to the other" in both Matthew 24:31 and Deuteronomy 30:4
Deuteronomy 30:
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Matthew 24:31 is a promise that God made to the children of Israel, in Deuteronomy 30 ....
that if they strayed away from Him and be sent in the nations, that if they should return to Him spiritually , that He would gathered them physically back from the nations to the land of Israel of their forefathers, no matter how far away they were driven. "from one end of heaven to the other"
"from one end of heaven to the other" in both Matthew 24:31 and Deuteronomy 30:4
Deuteronomy 30:
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
1 Thess 4:16~~
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the …
2 Timothy 2:17–18
17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the …
2 Timothy 2:17–18
17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.
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Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Absolutely I do. Have I determined with absolute certainty where this group fits into the rank and order of the first resurrection?
No not really, though I have formed a reasonably astute opinion.
But I do know that this incident takes nothing away from the OTHER ranks and order of the first resurrection.
Furthermore, 2 Thes 2 and all of the other rapture passages are written AFTER this incident.
No not really, though I have formed a reasonably astute opinion.
But I do know that this incident takes nothing away from the OTHER ranks and order of the first resurrection.
Furthermore, 2 Thes 2 and all of the other rapture passages are written AFTER this incident.
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