What would we believe in regarding the Gospel of Christ if Paul's writings were not part of the Bible?
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When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I was literally taken to a Bible, which I mistook for a mere book, and I began to read.
When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I was literally taken to a Bible, which I mistook for a mere book, and I began to read.
Everything made sense to me in the Old testament and in the New, although I found much of Paul' letters to be a bit of a jumble for my finite mind. Yet I do continue to read all of the Epistles.
My reference is to you remark, not a condemnation of Paul. If you examine the majority of posts in the Bible website's, it is obvious that most disputes stem from Paul's letters.
When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I was literally taken to a Bible, which I mistook for a mere book, and I began to read.
Everything made sense to me in the Old testament and in the New, although I found much of Paul' letters to be a bit of a jumble for my finite mind. Yet I do continue to read all of the Epistles.
My reference is to you remark, not a condemnation of Paul. If you examine the majority of posts in the Bible website's, it is obvious that most disputes stem from Paul's letters.
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That brilliant, it's amazing infact 😊.
I believe it ., I've got a Desmond tutu book this one.
One day I was sat looking at the cover of the book and I wondered if I should buy it.
Whilst I was staring at the book I saw the spirit of Desmond tutu rise up from the book, well actually I looked at the picture and prayed to God and said is Desmond a brother should I read it.
Then that happend and I saw Desmond rise up thought the book I was blown away so I bought the book.
Anyhow it turned out after reading the book, I really ended up believing he was a brother. 😊
I believe it ., I've got a Desmond tutu book this one.
One day I was sat looking at the cover of the book and I wondered if I should buy it.
Whilst I was staring at the book I saw the spirit of Desmond tutu rise up from the book, well actually I looked at the picture and prayed to God and said is Desmond a brother should I read it.
Then that happend and I saw Desmond rise up thought the book I was blown away so I bought the book.
Anyhow it turned out after reading the book, I really ended up believing he was a brother. 😊
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airs actually not what Paul wrote that is the issue but when people distort it and make it what it’s not and lead people astray
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:15-17 KJV
The only issue with Paul’s writings is when people try to read a single verse or two then interpret rather than reading it as if it is a letter from an apostles to the church explaining complex matters over chapters and larger sections
If we just take in what he’s saying nd don’t try to interpret things it just supports everything Jesus and the other apostles taught solidifying the gospel in a mind
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:15-17 KJV
The only issue with Paul’s writings is when people try to read a single verse or two then interpret rather than reading it as if it is a letter from an apostles to the church explaining complex matters over chapters and larger sections
If we just take in what he’s saying nd don’t try to interpret things it just supports everything Jesus and the other apostles taught solidifying the gospel in a mind
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Nehemiah6, I know what the message of Jesus or his gospel is. How can it contradict itself? Are you speaking if Paul's own Gospel as he said;
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
yes there are differences in the messages of Jesus and Paul. Paul's message is difficult to understand and can lead to confusion. If you study the core of the messages of Jesus and Paul and I urge all here to do so, you will see the differences.
As you know Jesus said;
Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
I am just trying to explain that Jesus wants us to follow the commandments in the proper way, through Love, not like the pharisees who were hypocrites. The core message of Jesus about the commandments is LOVE;
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus IS a teacher of the commandments, then why is it that some say we do not need to follow them as he instructed us?
Even Paul agrees, about the commandments;
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Blessings
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
yes there are differences in the messages of Jesus and Paul. Paul's message is difficult to understand and can lead to confusion. If you study the core of the messages of Jesus and Paul and I urge all here to do so, you will see the differences.
As you know Jesus said;
Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
I am just trying to explain that Jesus wants us to follow the commandments in the proper way, through Love, not like the pharisees who were hypocrites. The core message of Jesus about the commandments is LOVE;
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus IS a teacher of the commandments, then why is it that some say we do not need to follow them as he instructed us?
Even Paul agrees, about the commandments;
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Blessings
does a born again Christian filed with the holy spirit need to be reminded not to go around killing people ? Cheating on thier wife ? Worshipping other Gods when they have already accepted Jesus and believe in him ?
or do you tell murderers “ thou shalt not kill “ liars “ thou shalt not lie “ adulterers “ do not commit adultery “
If a Christian needs to be reminded constantly not to kill others , I’m not sure they have ever heard Jesus and believed the gospel or received the Holy Spirit ect but probably are still in tbe old nature
“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
1 Timothy 1:9-11 KJV
“Thou shalt not “ tells sinners what they better not do and the sentence on then if they do like this
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Exodus 20:14 KJV
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 20:10
This becomes totally irrelevant if we just honor the marriage commitment we make before God as Jesus taught. But the law was speaking to a “stiff necked rebellious and idolatrous “
people so it’s like you would speak to a teenager who is always trying to hurt your ten year old , and not as if your speaking to your beloved sons and daughters
Man had fallen into sin before the law came to sinners Jesus came to redeem us from sin and create new people who have new good natures and hear the word of God to his children rather than the offender who is always trying to harm your child
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers ( thou shalt not kill ) of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers( thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife thou shalt not commit adultery ) , for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars,( thou shalt not lie ) for perjured persons, ( thou shalt not bear false witness )
We want this word which the law doesn’t
speak
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
……He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:16, 31-36
We want the son and his word because it life and rebirth rather than condemnation and death
or do you tell murderers “ thou shalt not kill “ liars “ thou shalt not lie “ adulterers “ do not commit adultery “
If a Christian needs to be reminded constantly not to kill others , I’m not sure they have ever heard Jesus and believed the gospel or received the Holy Spirit ect but probably are still in tbe old nature
“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
1 Timothy 1:9-11 KJV
“Thou shalt not “ tells sinners what they better not do and the sentence on then if they do like this
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Exodus 20:14 KJV
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 20:10
This becomes totally irrelevant if we just honor the marriage commitment we make before God as Jesus taught. But the law was speaking to a “stiff necked rebellious and idolatrous “
people so it’s like you would speak to a teenager who is always trying to hurt your ten year old , and not as if your speaking to your beloved sons and daughters
Man had fallen into sin before the law came to sinners Jesus came to redeem us from sin and create new people who have new good natures and hear the word of God to his children rather than the offender who is always trying to harm your child
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers ( thou shalt not kill ) of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers( thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife thou shalt not commit adultery ) , for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars,( thou shalt not lie ) for perjured persons, ( thou shalt not bear false witness )
We want this word which the law doesn’t
speak
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
……He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:16, 31-36
We want the son and his word because it life and rebirth rather than condemnation and death
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If all scripture were easily understood, there wouldn't be a need for study, nor would we have reason to share our thoughts with one another and enjoy the resulting fellowship. Now, it's like opening a bag and finding treasures, both old and new. Now, we have an opportunity to overcome seeing the truth through a glass darkly and hopefully reduce our knowing in part. Once we're in New Jerusalem and able to see the Lord face to face; discussions like this will become pointless.
How could Paul's Gospel be any different than Christ's Gospel? "My Gospel" said by Paul is meant to include all that is in the Gospel, including the "mystery" of the Church. Paul presented the fullness of the Gospel as revealed to him by Christ. But did the Lord not speak of His death, burial, and resurrection many times? And did He not say this? And [Christ] said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46.47)
So you can go on believing your false ideas, or you can repent and accept the Gospel as revealed throughout the OT and NT.
So you can go on believing your false ideas, or you can repent and accept the Gospel as revealed throughout the OT and NT.
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Jesus said to follow him. if you love him as you claim you will follow the commandments as he asked us the ones who believe him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
It is crystal clear to me. I hope that one day it will be clear to you also,
Blessings.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
It is crystal clear to me. I hope that one day it will be clear to you also,
Blessings.
Jesus has the O.T. as His witness, His cousin John the baptist as a witness, his twelve chosen disciples who wrote and related his teachings and his spoken words, as witnesses and many more. I can pull from the bible many many verses.
Where are the witnesses of Paul can you find any in scripture?
I not forget what jesus said;
Jhn 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
I know many think all the words in the bible are equal I do not, the word of God then the son then those appointed by GOD having proper withesses such as the prophets ect... this is totally normal there is a hierarchy in the bible that cannot be denied. even the disciples of christ wanted to know between themselves which one was the greatest disciples.
Where are the witnesses of Paul can you find any in scripture?
I not forget what jesus said;
Jhn 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
I know many think all the words in the bible are equal I do not, the word of God then the son then those appointed by GOD having proper withesses such as the prophets ect... this is totally normal there is a hierarchy in the bible that cannot be denied. even the disciples of christ wanted to know between themselves which one was the greatest disciples.
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