Works and Salvation
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You completely missed the point of the verse.
It doesn’t say, “If you love me, you should strive to keep My commandments,” but rather, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
We keep His commandments not by human effort, but by the inner workings of the Holy Spirit. He changes us from the inside out.
It doesn’t say, “If you love me, you should strive to keep My commandments,” but rather, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
We keep His commandments not by human effort, but by the inner workings of the Holy Spirit. He changes us from the inside out.
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I understand this is your view for me the moment He found me I didn't have to do anything to receive that free gift. When did it change? OT anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be saved/delivered. My salvation is not based on any work I do. Before I knew Christ I always did works of the flesh. Since He found me as its written there should now be good works. I do not have to do good works what is within me wants to. There is still with in me the desire to sin aka bad works yet that is not me but sin that is in me. The law 613. When He set them free they complained moaned over and over yet God still met ever need they asked for. That is what HE wanted. He wanted to be their God their king. But something happened Israel said something and then 613 laws. Which helped them see what they really are. We love in a sinful fallen world. Theres a reason He said if you love me keep my words/commands. That does not mean your saved or not saved. He said this to them years later after they walked with Him been with Him day and night.
So any good work, deed I do is its with in me. So after this life I will lay down ever crown that He never asked for. I do it because ANY GOOD in me I can ever do ..it was HIM that did it. This will be good. Good works don't save me I have already been found that can not Change
So any good work, deed I do is its with in me. So after this life I will lay down ever crown that He never asked for. I do it because ANY GOOD in me I can ever do ..it was HIM that did it. This will be good. Good works don't save me I have already been found that can not Change
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Post-birth cleansing rituals for mothers. You're good. 
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You ignored the nest in front of you along the road altogether and failed to repent of it. And since you're giving yourself to the law, then you have to pay according to the law. How many lives do you have?
You said, "The only reason why someone would need to have sinless obedience to God's law would be if we are going to give ourselves to pay for the sins of the world," so, you definitely can't pay for the sins of the world, and you continue, "the rest of us can have our sins forgiven," but only those that have repented and are baptized into Christ but, apparently, you've baptized into the law of Moses. Perhaps this is why God has judged to allow such as these to "live it up" in his longsuffering and desire that no one should perish.
You said, "The only reason why someone would need to have sinless obedience to God's law would be if we are going to give ourselves to pay for the sins of the world," so, you definitely can't pay for the sins of the world, and you continue, "the rest of us can have our sins forgiven," but only those that have repented and are baptized into Christ but, apparently, you've baptized into the law of Moses. Perhaps this is why God has judged to allow such as these to "live it up" in his longsuffering and desire that no one should perish.
In my OP, I said "there are many verses like Hebrews 5:9 support that they require us to be doers of works in the second sense", so I affirmed that it that we are required to be a doer of works. I did not avoid the question, but rather I understood you as saying that if that is required, then they are required to earn it, so I gave two examples to show how that does not logically follow.
Salvation is not the vehicle, but rather salvation is an experience and we are required to do works in order to have that experience. In other words, doing works is intrinsically part of what the gift of salvation is, not something that we need to do first I order to earn it as a wage.
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If you begin to talk about certain parts of scripture here it will automatically draw some contention
Here’s a list to consider avoiding 😅
“repentance “ “ baptism “ “ doing good works “ “ rapture “ Israel “ “ Old Testament law “ the content of Paul’s epistles “ “ once saved always saved ?” Faith without works is dead “
You should be okay basically if you avoid what the Bible says 😆
Here’s a list to consider avoiding 😅
“repentance “ “ baptism “ “ doing good works “ “ rapture “ Israel “ “ Old Testament law “ the content of Paul’s epistles “ “ once saved always saved ?” Faith without works is dead “
You should be okay basically if you avoid what the Bible says 😆
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I said:
"For example, the Bible says repeatedly in both the OT and the NT that if we love God, then we will keep His commandments, so we are required to be keepers of God’s commandments in order to love Him, but not in order to earn our salvation"
I notably did not say:
"If you love me, you should strive to keep My commandments."
It is contradictory to think that obediently relying on God instructions is relying on our own effort.
"For example, the Bible says repeatedly in both the OT and the NT that if we love God, then we will keep His commandments, so we are required to be keepers of God’s commandments in order to love Him, but not in order to earn our salvation"
I notably did not say:
"If you love me, you should strive to keep My commandments."
It is contradictory to think that obediently relying on God instructions is relying on our own effort.
In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good and to renounce doing what is ungodly. It notable does not say that we are required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result or that we will do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather it describes the content of God's gift of salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.