TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[cv5]

...but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are of the flesh these are not the children of God...
Spiritual.

In your addled mind that passage (and evidenty every other passage from Genesis to Revelation) means that Israel has been forever kicked to the curb.

That's about the size of it buddy.

And never forget: team Satan would like nothing better than to see exactly that happen.
Israel being utterly forsaken and condemned by God that is.

So you are in good company.

BTW........replacement theology is a heresy. Israel being forsaken by God is a heresy too. Just thought you might want to know that. But of course I could be wrong.

 

[Cameron143]

In your addled mind that passage (and evidenty every other passage from Genesis to Revelation) means that Israel has been forever kicked to the curb.

That's about the size of it buddy.

And never forget: team Satan would like nothing better than to see exactly that happen.
Israel being utterly forsaken and condemned by God that is.

So you are in good company.

BTW........replacement theology is a heresy. Israel being forsaken by God is a heresy too. Just thought you might want to know that. But of course I could be wrong.

I asked you a question earlier: under what covenant will God deal with Israel as a nation? Care to answer?
Also, I don't believe in replacement theology. I do believe in continuation theology. But surely you can tell us under what covenant God deals with Israel as a nation.

 

[Kroogz]

Hopefully at some point you will make your point plain.

No longer be a curse.

No sun.

Face to face with the Lord.

No death.

No pain.

No suffering.

No toiling

Things to come SHORTLY.

Are these all fulfilled?

 

[cv5]

I asked you a question earlier: under what covenant will God deal with Israel as a nation? Care to answer?
Also, I don't believe in replacement theology. I do believe in continuation theology. But surely you can tell us under what covenant God deals with Israel as a nation.

Yeah sure, you are full of questions aren't you?

Reminds me of that "Yea, hath God said.....?" guy. Very much so.

And God surely DID say that He is going to certainly going to redeem Israel yet future, exactly why, exactly how and exactly when. Literally hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of times. Despite your strident vehement persistant and perpetual objections that would steal from God the glory due Him for this mighty work of grace.

Yes, Satan destroying Israel is a dream come true for much of the leaven polluting the Church today. And as I said earlier, you are in good company because Satan and his host going to do their best to make sure Israel is not redeemed just the way you would like it. But both they and you will fail inevitably. So good luck with that.

As for further debate, go argue with Paul. My time is better spent elsewhere.

 

[Kroogz]

Hopefully at some point you will make your point plain.

Why didn't Israel mourn for Christ. Why are 99% of the Jews still rejecting Christ if this all happened in 70AD? 70AD was judgment.


This is a rescue....

12:10~~King James Bible
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

 

[Kroogz]

The Davidic covenant.

Zech 12:10 King James Bible
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

2 Sam 7~~“The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 when your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom shall endure for ever before me[2]; your throne shall be established for ever.” ’ 17 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation.

 

[cv5]

Why didn't Israel mourn for Christ. Why are 99% of the Jews still rejecting Christ if this all happened in 70AD? 70AD was judgment.


This is a rescue....

12:10~~King James Bible
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Only an idiot, an heretic or an apostate could fail to understand or admit to the clear and obvious intet and meaning of those passages.

 

[Kroogz]

Only an idiot, an heretic or an apostate could fail to understand or admit to the clear and obvious intet and meaning of those passages.

If we can't see that Israel has everlasting promises and the distinction of Israel and the church.....His word gets pretty confusing. And there are blessings and cursing depending on how we deal with His chosen people.....Israel.

 

[cv5]

I do believe in continuation theology.

Just another "Israel gets kicked to the curb" heretical view. There are many flavors.

 

[cv5]

What covenant exists or will exist by which God will deal with solely the nation Israel?

There are eight to choose from buddy. The serious Bible student knows which is which, when, for whom and why.

 

[cv5]

I asked you a question earlier: under what covenant will God deal with Israel as a nation? Care to answer?
Also, I don't believe in replacement theology. I do believe in continuation theology. But surely you can tell us under what covenant God deals with Israel as a nation.

Oh and by the way:

Jesus Christ is the ultimate "Kinsman Redeemer" ......

Evidently the "continuation theologians" haven't the slightest idea of the relevance of this title and office as it relates to Israel and it's inevitable future.

But then again, another epic fail is exactly what you would expect from a doctrine that is heretical.

 

[cv5]

The Davidic covenant.

Zech 12:10 King James Bible
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

2 Sam 7~~“The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 when your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom shall endure for ever before me[2]; your throne shall be established for ever.” ’ 17 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation.

Who needs covenants when you have continuation theology?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

ohhhhhh okay now I see

“im explaining the spiritual aspect of what the eyes don't see and what those who are only authorised to see.”

I think you are basically interpreting everything instead of just reading what it says honestly that’s not at all how I study the Bible I’m sorry I don’t think we’re gonna find any fruit on this subject

God bless though

nope I'm interpreting on the authorised, Jesus Christ.

I'm talking about the kingdoms interlude


Which is the most difficult and longest interlude to understand,

The three chapters from rev 12-14 comprise an overview of mankind's history from a premortal existence to the second coming


As it pertains to the kingdoms of the lamb Jesus Christ, and the dragon satan,

Where John hears that the kingdoms of the world are to become the kingdoms of Christ .

 

[douggg]

Zion is spiritual Israel. Not all of Israel is Israel.

All Zion is Israel the nation. The physical nation with borders.

The Jews turn to Jesus during the time of Israel the nation's travail, her time of pain (Daniel 12:1), i.e during the Great Tribulation in Revelation 12:10. The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel the nation.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

 

[douggg]

Zion is spiritual Israel. Not all of Israel is Israel.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The Jews turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10 at the beginning of the Great Tribulation when Satan in Revelation 12 has a time/times/half left, during which he seeks to persecute the woman Israel.

 

[Obedience]

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The Jews turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10 at the beginning of the Great Tribulation when Satan in Revelation 12 has a time/times/half left, during which he seeks to persecute the woman Israel.

The woman is the church which is teaching the real word of God.Persecution is everywhere, even things you can't imagine.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Oops. Masochistic. There you go @Thunderrr-mental buddy.

I even corrected my spelling for you. Because I care.

well I'm delighted to have known your heretic views and even more delighted by the fact, that we have nothing in common.

As for your deluded theologies I'm delighted to hear them to

I find your intellect as intriguing as Adolf Hitler.

 

[CreatedUniquelyinhisimage]

Any of those movies like The Left Behind Series that says the temple will be built are lying and are false

 

[douggg]

The woman is the church which is teaching the real word of God.Persecution is everywhere, even things you can't imagine.

The woman in Revelation 12:2-5 gave birth to a man-child, Jesus. The church did not give birth to the man-child Jesus. Israel did.

Jesus, as an adult, created the church.

Unto Israel, a child is born.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

"upon the throne of David" is that Jesus is the rightful King of Israel messiah. The Anti-Christ person when he comes, to be the Anti-Christ must be anointed the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus, the rightful King of Israel, who came in the name of the Lord.

 

[Obedience]

The woman in Revelation 12:2-5 gave birth to a man-child, Jesus. The church did not give birth to the man-child Jesus. Israel did.

Jesus, as an adult, created the church.

Unto Israel, a child is born.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

"upon the throne of David" is that Jesus is the rightful King of Israel messiah. The Ant-Christ person when he comes, to be the Anti-Christ must be anointed the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus, the rightful King of Israel, who came in the name of the Lord.

The woman in Revelation 12:2-5 gave birth to a man-child, Jesus. The church did not give birth to the man-child Jesus. Israel did.

Jesus, as an adult, created the church.

Unto Israel, a child is born.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

"upon the throne of David" is that Jesus is the rightful King of Israel messiah. The Ant-Christ person when he comes, to be the Anti-Christ must be anointed the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus, the rightful King of Israel, who came in the name of the Lord.

What is the body of Jesus Christ? church.

When the scribes and Pharisees persecuted Christians, Jesus said to Paul, Paul, Paul, why do you persecute me?A child born to a woman is the member of Christ,the body of Christ.

It's not just that the woman gave birth to Jesus.