The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Bible_Highlighter]

But it is not stated, therefore it's your interpretation. Given that, it carries no more weight than any other interpretation.

Yea, hath God said….? (Genesis 3:1).

 

[John146]

Who killed Goliath according to the NASB and most other new versions? I thought David killed Goliath.

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

 

[Cameron143]

Again, discernment is not the standard. The Bible is the standard ultimately. To say that discernment is the standard is Spiritism or the New Age. God has written down His word for us to believe in so that we can be saved and do His will. Yes, one needs to have the Spirit, but this is if we believe and obey His Words.

Acts 5:32
"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

How do we obey God?
By keeping His words as found in the Bible and not by some New Age thinking or prayer, or vision or dream, or by some voice talking to us, etcetera.

God’s meaning in the word's He speaks is truth. That is what His words actually mean. We do compare scripture with scripture, but if there is no enlightenment, one will come to poor understanding regardless of the translation. We need revelation from God to rightly divide the word of truth regardless of the translation.

 

[Dino246]

Who killed Goliath according to the NASB and most other new versions? I thought David killed Goliath.

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

This is what you do when you don't have a response; you change the subject. You've done it many times, and it doesn't look good on you. Step up and follow the discussion by responding to the most recent posts to you.

 

[John146]

Who killed Goliath according to the NASB and most other new versions? I thought David killed Goliath.

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

You should keep up. I did respond. I cannot help that you don‘t see that changing words have a profound effect on doctrine.

 

[John146]

This is what you do when you don't have a response; you change the subject. You've done it many times, and it doesn't look good on you. Step up and follow the discussion by responding to the most recent posts to you.

Who killed Goliath according to the modern versions?

 

[Mem]

Well your paraphrase is not faulty, but something else which should have been brought out is the correspondence between "Yea, hath God said...?" (Satan) and the same attitude of the Higher and Lower (or textual) critics. They do not really believe in the divine inspiration and preservation of the Word of God, and that God says what He means, and means what He says. And that has led to a whole raft of corrupt modern versions, which have changed the truth of God into a lie. Adding and subtracting from Scripture is forbidden, but the modern translators did not get that message.

As far as I understand it, God never said, "thy , thou , or thee anything" How did the KJV obtain the liberties to change scripture to those words?

 

[Dino246]

Who killed Goliath according to the modern versions?

I'm not interested in your rabbit trail. Follow the existing discussion, or step out.

 

[John146]

I'm not interested in your rabbit trail. Follow the existing discussion, or step out.

Shall I start a new thread? The Error of Believing the Modern Versions?

 

[John146]

As far as I understand it, God never said, "thy , thou , or thee anything" How did the KJV obtain the liberties to change scripture to those words?

It makes the translation precise in the English language.

 

[Nehemiah6]

As far as I understand it, God never said, "thy , thou , or thee anything" How did the KJV obtain the liberties to change scripture to those words?

What a totally SILLY comment. It needs no answer. As a matter of fact those words accurately reflect what is in Scripture. "You" is used when there is more than one person being addressed.

 

[Mem]

It makes the translation precise in the English language.

What a totally SILLY comment. It needs no answer. As a matter of fact those words accurately reflect what is in Scripture. "You" is used when there are more than one person being addressed.

And how should the modern commoner know this to be true?

 

[Nehemiah6]

And how should the modern commoner know this to be true?

By trying to understand the valid reason for the distinction.

 

[Mem]

By trying to understand the valid reason for the distinction.

Could some of the choices of words found in the KJV have a sort of Catholic lean to them while trying to look more protestant friendly and that is the valid reason for that particular distinction?

 

[Dino246]

Shall I start a new thread? The Error of Believing the Modern Versions?

Fill your boots. I'm sure you have plenty of muck.

 

[Dino246]

What a totally SILLY comment. It needs no answer. As a matter of fact those words accurately reflect what is in Scripture. "You" is used when there is more than one person being addressed.

Typical overreaction.

 

[Magenta]

Back in your post #1461, you stated, I quote:

”...no matter how much you want to deny it, Erasmus asked exactly the same question: "Did God really say...?"​

Quote by: ~ Dino246​

First, by your words above, you said nothing about how that is what Erasmus thought.
Second, how would you know what he thought by the statement you made in post #1461?
Do you have a Time Machine and a mind reader device?

Do you say things without thinking them first? How does that work out for you?

Come to think of it... going by the fact that some of what you postulate is not well thought out...

Perhaps you do say things without thinking them first .

 

[Sipsey]

Do you say things without thinking them first? How does that work out for you?

Come to think of it... going by the fact that some of what you postulate is not well thought out...

Perhaps you do say things without thinking them first .

I recently wrote an article about TSS. It is mix of tungsten, nickel, and iron. It is nearly twice as dense as lead, and harder than steel. Sound familiar?

 

[Angela53510]

No, while these two words may have meant the same thing in the past (Canon Law - 16th century), the words "promiscuous" and "prostitute" used today do not have the same meaning.

"Promiscuous" is an adjective that generally describes a person's behavior or lifestyle characterized by engaging in sexual activity with multiple partners without commitment or exclusivity. It is a more general term and doesn't specifically imply the exchange of money for sexual services.

"Prostitute," on the other hand, refers to a person who engages in sexual activity in exchange for money or goods. It specifically involves a commercial transaction for sexual services.

While both terms involve sexual activity, "promiscuous" is a broader term that doesn't necessarily involve any financial transaction, while "prostitute" is specifically linked to the exchange of money for sexual services.

Source:
ChatGPT (A database software program)

Just look at the CollinsDictionary, or current Dictionaries and the meanings are not interchangeable in definitions.

Generally in the Bible, we let the Bible interpret the meaning of a word when possible. In Genesis 38, we get a definition of both "harlot" and "whoredom" in the context that it can refer to prostitution.

Genesis 38:15-18
15 "When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?
18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him."

But there are other cases where the word "whoredom" or "whore" is referred to as idolatry / spiritual idolatry (See: Ezekiel 16:17) (Revelation 17:1).

The problem with Modern Textual Critics, select Modern Bibles, and the majority of Christianity on this point is that they believe God told Hosea to marry a prostitute. Some may take that to mean as you say, and others take that to mean prostitute as we understand that word today. So many today believe that God was telling Hosea to marry a practicing prostitute who was engaging in sex for money.

Yet, the King James Bible says, "Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD." (Hosea 1:2).

Obviously the land is referring to people here and thus the people have committed great whoredom departing from the LORD. This is idolatry. The word "idols" is mentioned in Hosea chapter 4. The context is spiritual idolatry with idols. The whole land was not engaged in selling their bodies for sex.

Yes, Gomer later became a prostitute (engaging in sex for money) but this was not before she was married to Hosea.

Anyway, this is the end of this conversation on the point involving Hosea and Gomer. If you disagree, you are free to believe as you wish. I am not going to debate this point because it is not the only link in the chain that defends the King James Bible as the Word of God.

Are you really that clueless? I was going to ask your source, then you put ChatGPT! Hilarious!! You think it is a data base? It is an AI. Artificial intelligence. It makes up whatever you want it to say. In my Biblical Languages group someone told it to write an original Bible story, using only Greek vocabulary found in Mark. It pumped out a little imaginary story, not found in the Bible. But the person that directed it found a few words that weren't in Mark. ChatGPT apologized for making a mistake. It was interesting it couldn't keep to the parameters offered.

"ChatGPT is a form of generative AI -- a tool that lets users enter prompts to receive humanlike images, text or videos that are created by AI.
The GPT stands for "Generative Pre-trained Transformer," which refers to how ChatGPT processes requests and formulates responses. ChatGPT is trained with reinforcement learning through human feedback and reward models that rank the best responses. This feedback helps augment ChatGPT with machine learning to improve future responses."

https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/d... for "Generative,that rank the best responses.

You really are out of your league here, once again. Chat GPT is NOT a data base. You can't quote it, because it makes it up. In fact, it's been advertising on X (Twitter) all these really young girls dressed in sexy dresses. I blocked it, but a lot of people got really mad. It really was child porn. Yep, your ChatGPT will produce child pornographers if you ask it! Better start using some historical and scholarly sources, and learn how to do research.

 

[Angela53510]

Added note: Historically, the word "prostitute" or "prostitution" has been used for sex in the exchange of money. So while there was a canon law establishing a particular meaning for these two words being synonymous at the beginning of history (involving these words), it simply never took hold as having that meaning for the majority of history. It definitely does not have that meaning today.

Wrong again!! Prostitution has existed since ancient times. There was even cult prostitution to the various gods in the ÂNE.

"Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment.[1][2] The definition of "sexual activity" varies, and is often defined as an activity requiring physical contact "

Here is a link to a website that is a bit to racy for me, which lists all the civilizations and countries and times where prostitution has existed since the beginning of time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution
You keep saying dumb things without looking them up, then back tracking, but making up lies to defend your untenable positions. Read some books, some scholarly paper,s, instead of these garbage websites with lies defending their lying positions.