TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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Sure. But the land promise was fulfilled in the days of Joshua. Whatever you think should have been included and has not transpired doesn't really matter.
I will say that I have come across such passages and had to reconsider what I had previously believed. I've found such apparent conundrums are very instructional, and reconciled by adopting my thinking to what scripture teaches.
I'm not trying here to place myself in a superior position, but offering iron.
I will say that I have come across such passages and had to reconsider what I had previously believed. I've found such apparent conundrums are very instructional, and reconciled by adopting my thinking to what scripture teaches.
I'm not trying here to place myself in a superior position, but offering iron.
Many people believe that ALL "prophecy" was fulfilled by the time of the 70ad events.
Hence, all that is left (from their perspective) is not "prophecy"... but "types" now [all presently] "realized" (if that makes sense). There's nothing in prophecy speaking to the "future" beyond 70ad (according to some)... IOW, all "prophecy" was fulfilled in Christ's FIRST ADVENT (and the residual effects... like the "70ad events"). I disagree with that view, of course.
Hence, all that is left (from their perspective) is not "prophecy"... but "types" now [all presently] "realized" (if that makes sense). There's nothing in prophecy speaking to the "future" beyond 70ad (according to some)... IOW, all "prophecy" was fulfilled in Christ's FIRST ADVENT (and the residual effects... like the "70ad events"). I disagree with that view, of course.
Definately not the things of old brother
“Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.”
Isaiah 43:18-19, 21-28 KJV
indeed I laughed always appreciate your humor
“Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.”
Isaiah 43:18-19, 21-28 KJV
indeed I laughed always appreciate your humor
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@iamsoandso,I wasn't being flippant. I know what you share is well thought out and you ask questions hoping to have people draw their own conclusions. I earnestly don't understand what it is you want me to consider. If you could lower yourself for my sake it would be much appreciated.
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……right tbat was a quote from the post I was responding to yours I believe ……
my point was always that aBrahams covenant was made with him For all nations …….Abram the Hebrews descendants are the others who received the covenant made at Sinai with one specific nation through Moses
abrahams covenant is about Jesus and the gospel it’s what God promised israel to save them from the curse they brought on themselves breaking the old covenant ….
my point was always that aBrahams covenant was made with him For all nations …….Abram the Hebrews descendants are the others who received the covenant made at Sinai with one specific nation through Moses
abrahams covenant is about Jesus and the gospel it’s what God promised israel to save them from the curse they brought on themselves breaking the old covenant ….
Yes. I did and I do.
I was wondering the same thing about you.
"what's Jesus saying TO THEM in that parable ?"... I explained that in my post. No need to repeat myself here. (see that post again, maybe??)
I did acknowledge what Jesus is talking about.
... and that is EXACTLY what they will "SAY" in that future "7-yr period" leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (what we call the tribulation period), FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Milllennial Kingdom age, commencing upon His "RETURN" there (to the earth)... the MK age variously KNOWN (in scripture) AS "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" (not "UP IN Heaven")... "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER"... "the MEAL [G347]"... "My barn"... "the throne of His glory"... etc.
[they will "SAY" this (in the "future" Trib yrs)... reflective of what Joseph's own brothers were required, in/during Joseph's "seven year famine" ]
John 6:39,40 is speaking of two distinct matters which will be raised up "IN the LAST DAY" (not a "singular 24-hr day" kind of "day"--but the LAST MILLENIUM--the SEVENTH and LAST--what Hosea calls "IN the THIRD DAY" because factored from the time of His ascension, in that passage, referring to ISRAEL's "future"... same subject as Ezek37:12-14,20-23,26,28... and Dan12:1-3,4... and Isa26:13-21... and in Romans 11:15[,25]... etc... ALL of these passages LIKENING it to a "resurrection," but speaking of Israel coming up out of the "graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED")] :
--[Jn6] v.39 speaks of PEOPLE (the "saved" PERSONS... bodily resurrected);
--[Jn6] v.40 speaks of THINGS (His throne / government-al THINGS... the kind of thing that His disciples asked Him regarding the TIMING about in Acts 1 ("wilt thou AT THIS TIME *restore* again the kingdom TO ISRAEL?"... and to which He responded to their question ABOUT ITS TIMING with words concerning ITS TIMING, not its NATURE which aspect they well-understood... they just did not understand its TIMING, hence their specific question to Him there])
And in Acts 3:21, Peter says (to "ye men of Israel" v.12), about Jesus... "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."
It seems to me that it is you who does not understand what is being said in these various passages under present discussion.
I was wondering the same thing about you.
"what's Jesus saying TO THEM in that parable ?"... I explained that in my post. No need to repeat myself here.
(see that post again, maybe??)I did acknowledge what Jesus is talking about.
... and that is EXACTLY what they will "SAY" in that future "7-yr period" leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (what we call the tribulation period), FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Milllennial Kingdom age, commencing upon His "RETURN" there (to the earth)... the MK age variously KNOWN (in scripture) AS "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" (not "UP IN Heaven")... "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER"... "the MEAL [G347]"... "My barn"... "the throne of His glory"... etc.
[they will "SAY" this (in the "future" Trib yrs)... reflective of what Joseph's own brothers were required, in/during Joseph's "seven year famine"
]John 6:39,40 is speaking of two distinct matters which will be raised up "IN the LAST DAY" (not a "singular 24-hr day" kind of "day"--but the LAST MILLENIUM--the SEVENTH and LAST--what Hosea calls "IN the THIRD DAY" because factored from the time of His ascension, in that passage, referring to ISRAEL's "future"... same subject as Ezek37:12-14,20-23,26,28... and Dan12:1-3,4... and Isa26:13-21... and in Romans 11:15[,25]... etc... ALL of these passages LIKENING it to a "resurrection," but speaking of Israel coming up out of the "graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED")] :
--[Jn6] v.39 speaks of PEOPLE (the "saved" PERSONS... bodily resurrected);
--[Jn6] v.40 speaks of THINGS (His throne / government-al THINGS... the kind of thing that His disciples asked Him regarding the TIMING about in Acts 1 ("wilt thou AT THIS TIME *restore* again the kingdom TO ISRAEL?"... and to which He responded to their question ABOUT ITS TIMING with words concerning ITS TIMING, not its NATURE which aspect they well-understood... they just did not understand its TIMING, hence their specific question to Him there])
And in Acts 3:21, Peter says (to "ye men of Israel" v.12), about Jesus... "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."
It seems to me that it is you who does not understand what is being said in these various passages under present discussion.
abut don’t take any offense or let it bother you it doesn’t affect me if someone doesn’t agree with what I say in a discussion and even though we disagree I don’t mean any offense I just simply totally disagree with all of your interpretations of each verse and word and rejection of everything he said about taking the kingdom from them who rejected and killed Jesus their messiah and promised king …. And giving it to others
Each of has an opinion and they differ , so you agree we’re at a point where it’s wasting both of our time right ? That’s my conclusion so I’m going to move on to another person now and try to find someone who’s read the same things i have
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
A new covenant brother which means a new everything
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ( old covenant )
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. …..The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 19-20 KJV
So we need
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
Isaiah 65:17-18 KJV
and we have our hope
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
He promised also to create new people who would be filled with his spirit and would actually learn from him and walk in his ways gladly and willingly that would fill that new creation
This creation we live in now is doomed
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
he promised a New Testament a new creation new people born of every nation based on faith in him a new promised land a new everything we want to look to his word that we can’t see yet the promises beyond this life
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
A new covenant brother which means a new everything
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ( old covenant )
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. …..The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 19-20 KJV
So we need
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
Isaiah 65:17-18 KJV
and we have our hope
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
He promised also to create new people who would be filled with his spirit and would actually learn from him and walk in his ways gladly and willingly that would fill that new creation
This creation we live in now is doomed
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
he promised a New Testament a new creation new people born of every nation based on faith in him a new promised land a new everything we want to look to his word that we can’t see yet the promises beyond this life
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NO
It was an eternal promise. Joshua only fulfilled the part that 400 years later you will occupy the land
The land promise is forever. Joshua was not forever
I can say the same
as with saying the abomination of desolation will be seen a physical event, which will lead to a great tribulation which will be so severe no flesh would survive unless God cuts that time short. and it is cut short by the return of Jesus in the clouds where the whole world sees him. Until I see that, it has not heppened
And when good says he made a great nation from abraham, and gave them some land forever. That unless forever has ceased to exist. That promise still exists..
It was an eternal promise. Joshua only fulfilled the part that 400 years later you will occupy the land
The land promise is forever. Joshua was not forever
I can say the same
as with saying the abomination of desolation will be seen a physical event, which will lead to a great tribulation which will be so severe no flesh would survive unless God cuts that time short. and it is cut short by the return of Jesus in the clouds where the whole world sees him. Until I see that, it has not heppened
And when good says he made a great nation from abraham, and gave them some land forever. That unless forever has ceased to exist. That promise still exists..
Thats not true
God said he would make abraham a great nation.. That is not to all nations
He said he would make him a father of many nations.. thats not t all people
he said he will give the one great nation land. That is not to all nations
he said in him will all the world be blessed.
this is the ONLY aspect of the covenant with abraham that concerns everyone
God said he would make abraham a great nation.. That is not to all nations
He said he would make him a father of many nations.. thats not t all people
he said he will give the one great nation land. That is not to all nations
he said in him will all the world be blessed.
this is the ONLY aspect of the covenant with abraham that concerns everyone
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“I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.”
Deuteronomy 4:26
“Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; and then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.”
Deuteronomy 11:16-17 KJV
Deuteronomy 4:26
“Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; and then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.”
Deuteronomy 11:16-17 KJV
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