The promised seed

[Nehemiah6]

Her flesh is every bit as corrupt as his.

Her "flesh" (sin nature) and her body are not identical. Mary was justified by grace through faith. And she was indeed the mother of Christ. God made provision for Christ to be both a sinless Man and fully God at the same time. Any attempt to provide details about this is PURE SPECULATION.

At the same time, normal human reproduction requires the chromosomes of both father and mother in the child. But Christ's conception was supernatural.

 

[John146]

Her "flesh" (sin nature) and her body are not identical. Mary was justified by grace through faith. And she was indeed the mother of Christ. God made provision for Christ to be both a sinless Man and fully God at the same time. Any attempt to provide details about this is PURE SPECULATION.

At the same time, normal human reproduction requires the chromosomes of both father and mother in the child. But Christ's conception was supernatural.

Agreed, a body was prepared for the Lord to enter.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

[Cameron143]

Her "flesh" (sin nature) and her body are not identical. Mary was justified by grace through faith. And she was indeed the mother of Christ. God made provision for Christ to be both a sinless Man and fully God at the same time. Any attempt to provide details about this is PURE SPECULATION.

At the same time, normal human reproduction requires the chromosomes of both father and mother in the child. But Christ's conception was supernatural.

I only asked because your previous post seemed rather dogmatic that Mary's DNA was necessary. She certainly bore Him in her womb and the birth was certainly supernatural.

 

[Cameron143]

Agreed, a body was prepared for the Lord to enter.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Are you saying the prepared body was Mary's body?

 

[John146]

Are you saying the prepared body was Mary's body?

Nope, the body inside Mary was prepared by God, not of man's seed.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

medical books.

Cite the actual books that say this and where in the books the information is located.


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[Cameron143]

Nope, the body inside Mary was prepared by God, not of man's seed.

Ok. Thanks for clarification.

 

[Ted01]

I have no idea what you all are talking about?

The baby's blood kinda' comes from both parents... that includes blood type and DNA.
The baby's blood is its own, not from the parents.

Where did you all learn this stuff?

 

[10-22-27]

The blood of an unborn baby and that of the mother do not mix in utero. The baby’s heart pushes his or her blood through his or her body, through the umbilical cord and to the placenta, but not beyond that. There is a membrane that separates the baby’s blood from the mother’s blood.

 

[Ted01]

The blood of an unborn baby and that of the mother do not mix in utero. The baby’s heart pushes his or her blood through his or her body, through the umbilical cord and to the placenta, but not beyond that. There is a membrane that separates the baby’s blood from the mother’s blood.

I don't think that's quite correct.

The baby's blood is not in the umbilical cord or the placenta... that would be the mother's blood. Her blood supplies oxygen and food/nutrients to the fetus thru both, although the placenta has other functions as well. So, the mother's blood travels thru a vein in the cord, but there is no actual blood transference.

I'm not sure why people might have thought otherwise? But I hope that it's a limited audience.

 

[studentoftheword]

Any attempt to provide details about this is PURE SPECULATION.

And I agree with you here as well ----all we all can do is speculate ---but Scripture is clear on one thing --
the Iniquity of the FATHER is what is passed on to the children ----and that is scriptural -----so why isn't the Mother also mentioned in this Generational Curse -----why isn't her Iniquity mentioned in the Scripture as being passed on as well ?????????

Mary was righteous in God's eyes for sue ----but Mary was conceived by a a human Mother and Father who were both sinners---- I would assume ------so the blood running through her veins would not have been pure as our Sin Nature is a blood issue ----carried on from Adam --as the Scripture indicated ----Death was through one MAN ---Adam ---no EVE mentioned -------Why is that -------just asking

Question

When God deemed Noah ------Job ------Abraham --Elijah ----David ---the 12 Disciples----Elizabeth and Mary -etc -----righteous ---did that change the tainted Blood that ran through their veins ------sin is a Blood issue -----Mary was deemed righteous ----because of her Faith in God as were all the people mentioned ------not because they all had pure blood running through their veins ----just speculating here ---

So if the Mothers blood circulates in the Fetus ------then it is contaminated blood that is circulating and Jesus would not have been Holy and Sinless ----- when we are born again it is our spirit that makes us Holy ----our Blood is still tainted till we die and shed our Body ------Spirits don't have blood circulating in their Spiritual body -----that I know of -----

Just doing some speculating here ------

 

[Nehemiah6]

sin is a Blood issue

Actually sin is a SOUL issue, not a blood issue, even though sin and death came upon humanity through Adam.

It is the unconverted soul which has the sin nature within, and it from there that sin originates. Christ called it "the heart of man" but the heart is a metaphor for the soul. Even after a person is born again, the sin nature (the flesh) is not eradicated. Hence the conflict between the flesh and the Spirit. ("Flesh" can mean both the body as well as the immaterial sin nature).

 

[studentoftheword]

Interesting read

The Mystery of the Blood Revealed
SALVATION, RESTORATION, SIN, VICTORIOUS LIVING, THE WORD

https://www.jimandjanean.com/home/2018/10/22/the-mystery-of-the-blood-revealed

The Bible tells us in Romans 5:8-21 that all mankind died through Adam’s sin, because Adam represented us all. But it also says that through Jesus we can all live again. This was accomplished by His blood. The shed blood of Jesus carried great power, but it is a mystery to those who do not know Christ. For us, who have received Jesus as our Savior, the mystery is revealed.

The Word tells us that the life of any creature is in its blood. Adam originally had the life of God, but lost it when he sinned and became separated from God. Spiritual death is separation from God. This changed Adam’s nature from a righteous man to a sinner, and contaminated his bloodline. In addition, Adam had handed over his authority to rule the earth to satan. God wanted to get His creation back, but He had to do it legally since authority over the earth had been given to the devil. To do this, He had to enter the earth as a man in a real flesh and blood body.

When a baby is conceived, the blood type and the blood charateristics of the child comes from the father. Because the blood of every human had been tainted by sin, the blood of this second Adam had to be pure. Therefore, God placed His very own seed in the womb of Mary, which produced a human being that carried the very blood of God. This is how Jesus legally came to earth as a man, but without sin, since His blood was not tainted by sin. He was a human but technically was not in the bloodline of the first Adam

Jesus lived on the earth and overcame every temptation to sin. When Jesus shed His blood, His pure blood washed away man’s sin. Because the life is in the blood, when we accept Jesus and His shed blood, we receive His life. Our sins are washed away and we receive the God life; eternal life. The life that Adam lost has now been restored through Jesus’ work on the cross. Praise the Lord!

Death once held us in its grip, and by the blunder of one man, death reigned as king over humanity. But now, how much more are we held in the grip of grace and continue reigning as kings in life, enjoying our regal freedom through the gift of perfect righteousness in the one and only Jesus, the Messiah! In other words, just as condemnation came upon all people through one transgression, so through one righteous act of Jesus’ sacrifice, the perfect righteousness that makes us right with God and leads us to a victorious life is now available to all. One man’s disobedience opened the door for all humanity to become sinners. So also one man’s obedience opened the door for many to be made perfectly right with God and acceptable to him. Romans 5:17-19 (The Passion Translation, TPT)​

 

[Nehemiah6]

When a baby is conceived, the blood type and the blood charateristics of the child comes from the father.

And since Joseph was not the father, that issue is moot. And the Bible does call the blood of Christ "the blood of God" but stated differently (Acts 20:28). Of course both the Father and the Spirit are Spirits, so this term refers only to the blood of Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Ghost.

 

[studentoftheword]

Another interesting read

https://www.orcuttchristian.org/the_chemistry_of_the_blood.pdf

ALL RELATED BY BLOOD All men are related by the blood of Adam, sinful and polluted blood, dead in trespasses and in sins.
Scripture teaches that God— hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth... (Acts 17:26a). All men have a "common" origin in Adam. All men are blood relatives of Adam, whether they be white or black, Jew or Gentile, pagan or cultured. Their blood carries the sentence of death because of Adam's sin, and for this reason all men die a common death, with no exceptions. Remember that the life is in the blood, and so if man must die it is because there is death in the blood. Although we do not know the nature of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we do know that the eating of it caused "blood poisoning" and resulted in death, for God had said: The day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:17b). So potent was this poison that six thousand years after, all who are related to Adam by human birth still succumb to that poison of sin which is carried in some way in the blood. A review of the story of Adam's creation will make clear this truth. We are told that God formed man out of the dust of the earth. Up to this time Adam was a lifeless clump of clay. Materially he was just so much dust, and merely molded into the shape of a man, but without life; he was a mere dummy. Then the record tells us that— God. . . breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Genesis 2:7b). The breath of God put something in man that made him Alive. That something was blood. It must have been. It could be nothing else: for we have already shown that the life of the flesh is in the blood and so when life was added by the breath of God, He imparted blood to that lump of clay in the shape of a man, and man became a living soul. Adam's body was of the ground. His blood was the separate gift of God, for God is Life and the Author of all life.

SIN AND DEATH

Then man sinned and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and He DIED — DIED SPIRITUALLY and, ultimately, physically. Since life is in the blood, when man died, something happened to the blood. Sin affected the blood of man, not his body, except indirectly, because it is supplied by the blood. For this very reason flesh can only be called sinful flesh because it is nourished and fed and sustained by sinful blood. And since God hath made of one blood all nations, sin is present in all of Adam's progeny. For in that one sinned all have sinned. THE VIRGIN BIRTH This very fact that sin affected the blood of man necessitated the

VIRGIN BIRTH of Christ if He was to be a son of Adam and yet a sinless man. For this very reason Christ could partake of Adam's flesh, which is not inherently sinful, but He could not partake of Adam's blood, which was completely sinful. God provided a way by which Jesus, born of a woman {not man), could be a perfect human being, but, because He had not a drop of Adam's blood in His veins, He did not share in Adam's sin

 

[wolfwint]

That's something new. I've never heard this! Where did you get that information?


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Biologie 😀

 

[10-22-27]

I don't think that's quite correct.

The baby's blood is not in the umbilical cord or the placenta... that would be the mother's blood. Her blood supplies oxygen and food/nutrients to the fetus thru both, although the placenta has other functions as well. So, the mother's blood travels thru a vein in the cord, but there is no actual blood transference.

I'm not sure why people might have thought otherwise? But I hope that it's a limited audience.

Ted, we both agree that the mother's blood does not enter into the bloodstream of the unborn. That's all that's important concerning this article. If one drop of Mary's blood would have entered into the Christ child, it would have been considered unclean. I know you know these verses, just a reminder to others.

1 Peter 1:18-19, “We were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.”

"Without spot or blemish, externally and internally.

Ephesians 1:7, “We have redemption through His blood; even the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.”

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Biologie 😀

Which books did you get this from? I'm a registered nurse and I never read this in any of my text books for Anatomy and Physiology, Organic Chemistry, etc.


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[10-22-27]

Which books did you get this from? I'm a registered nurse and I never read this in any of my text books for Anatomy and Physiology, Organic Chemistry, etc.


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Check the internet.

 

[wolfwint]

Which books did you get this from? I'm a registered nurse and I never read this in any of my text books for Anatomy and Physiology, Organic Chemistry, etc.


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I am nurse (male) too. I cant renember to read that, so long time ago. But if you ask Google: Which blood is that of the unborn child. Then you find sites where it is explained. Maby you find this in books which have the unborn life as theme. There is a placental barrier which hinders that the blood of the mother will come in contact with the blood of the unborn. But oxygine, nutriation, everything else what the unborn need comes through. This is amazing how God this made.