Opening Daniel's timeline

[Cameron143]

Excellent question: It's the new covenant Jesus Christ brought with him.

Isaiah 42:6, “I the LORD (Father) have called you (Jesus) in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of (to) the people for a light of the Gentiles;”

Jeremiah 31:31, “Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

Malachi 3:1, “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you (Israel) seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant,” that was Jesus.

Luke 22:20, Jesus is speaking, “This cup is the New Testament (or covenant) in my blood, which is shed for you.”

I appreciate your answer. The reason I asked is because the new covenant deals with individuals and not nations. Further, under the new covenant there is no Jew or Greek, but only the new creation.

 

[10-22-27]

I appreciate your answer. The reason I asked is because the new covenant deals with individuals and not nations. Further, under the new covenant there is no Jew or Greek, but only the new creation.

I appreciate your question.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sorry my posts are so long; I like serving meat, not bones.
Every prophecy has to have a starting point; without one, the end of a prophecy can never be determined, and neither can a timeline be established. So, having a correct timeline supported by Scripture and history is imperative. Let’s begin with Nebuchadnezzar. We don’t know when he was born, but we do know he was co-ruler with his father, Nabopolassar, in 606 B.C., the same year Daniel was taken captive. From 606, seventy years later, in B.C. 536, the Lord sent Cyrus to destroy Babylon and free the Jews, fulfilling Jeremiah prophesy of seventy years, 25:11-12. All twelve tribes could now leave for their homeland if they chose to.

In 605, Nebuchadnezzar became sole ruler when his father died. In 603, Nebuchadnezzar had his dream of empires. Nebuchadnezzar was the head of gold, so the history of empires begins in 605 B.C. In 598 B.C., when Jehoiakim was in his eleventh year as King, Nebuchadnezzar came into Jerusalem and
2 Chronicles 36:7, “Carried off the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon and put them in his temple at Babylon.”

Why is this date of 598 import? From that year forward, the Ark of the Covenant, Mercy seat, and other sacred vessels of the temple were either destroyed or moved to Babylon; the eternal flame extinguished, and the daily sacrifice that was never to cease ceased. Without the Ark and Mercy seat, the High Priest of Israel could no longer present himself or perform his duties within the Holy of Holies on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur. He could no longer present himself before the mercy seat where the LORD communicated with him. Yes, the Jews did continue their daily sacrifices, replacing the ark and mercy seat with a stone, but their sacrifices and offerings were for nothing.

Isaiah 1:13, the LORD said, “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbats, the calling of assemblies, I cannot (endure); it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.” Nebuchadnezzar then destroys Jerusalem and the Temple in 586 B.C.

The king of Persia, Artaxerxes Longimanus, wrote the decree for the Jews to return and rebuild the moat, the wall, and the temple in 456 B.C. I believe Artaxerxes was gracious to the Jews because he was most likely the son of King Xerxes and Esther. So now we have our starting point. It was in 456 B.C. that the 490 years of Daniel’s prophesy began.

The first week, or 49 years, ended in 407 B.C. when the Old Testament closed with Malachi.
The second period of 434 years ended when John, Andrew, and Peter announced, “We have found the Messiah,” this was in late October or early November of 27 A.D. How do I know 27 A.D. is correct? Jesus was born in 4 B.C. When he turned 30, sometime in late October of 27 AD, Luke 3:23, John baptized Jesus and announced him as the expected Messiah, as did Andrew and Peter, John 1:41, “We have found the Messiah.” A priest had to be 30 years of age to serve in the temple.

In 27 A.D., what remained of the 490 years was seven years. Daniel said Messiah would be ‘cut off’ after 3 ½ years. The Lord confirmed his new covenant for 3 ½ years and then was cut off at the cross. As of this moment, 486 1/2 years of the 490 have been fulfilled, leaving 3 ½ years.
But Daniel said, ‘Confirming the covenant would be for one week (7 years), so seven years it will be. The last 3 ½ years will be accomplished by the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and most likely the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7.
Also, the 3 ½ years of the Great Tribulation remains. It will be a period ruled by the antichrist and his high priest. The Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble, has nothing to do with the 490-year prophecy. The time of the Great Tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble. Those who go into this period will either receive the mark of the beast then judged guilty by the Lord. Or reject the mark, be killed, but later raised to serve with the Lord on earth for 1000 years, Revelation 20:4.
I am going to stop here. I want to share my findings with anyone genuinely interested in Daniel’s prophesies. If you’re interested, I have other ideas concerning the “abomination that is set up” Daniel 12:12, and “the abomination of desolation, -- that will ‘stand in the holy place,’ Matthew 24:15. Also, my research concerns the 1290 and the 1335 days. If interested, let me know.

have you forgot about the great nation that will arise from Ishmael

 

[10-22-27]

have you forgot about the great nation that will arise from Ishmael

Genesis 21:13, the LORD said, "And also of the son of the bondwoman (Hagar) will I make a nation, because he is thy seed." The Bible tells us he will be a fierce, savage man, whose hand shall be against all men, and the hands of all men against him." Ishmael had 12 sons, Nabajoth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumab, Massa, Hader, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. From them came the 12 tribes of the Arabians. Since the seventh century, they have all embraced the religion of Mohamet. Today, the whole of the Middle East, Northern Africa, Turkey, and Russia and the rest of Islam testify that Ishmael was made a great nation. Hope that helps.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Genesis 21:13, the LORD said, "And also of the son of the bondwoman (Hagar) will I make a nation, because he is thy seed." The Bible tells us he will be a fierce, savage man, whose hand shall be against all men, and the hands of all men against him." Ishmael had 12 sons, Nabajoth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumab, Massa, Hader, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. From them came the 12 tribes of the Arabians. Since the seventh century, they have all embraced the religion of Mohamet. Today, the whole of the Middle East, Northern Africa, Turkey, and Russia and the rest of Islam testify that Ishmael was made a great nation. Hope that helps.

I think you have that wrong the bible says This

God says a great nation will become from Ishmael.

What your describing is far from great is it.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Genesis 21:13, the LORD said, "And also of the son of the bondwoman (Hagar) will I make a nation, because he is thy seed." The Bible tells us he will be a fierce, savage man, whose hand shall be against all men, and the hands of all men against him." Ishmael had 12 sons, Nabajoth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumab, Massa, Hader, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. From them came the 12 tribes of the Arabians. Since the seventh century, they have all embraced the religion of Mohamet. Today, the whole of the Middle East, Northern Africa, Turkey, and Russia and the rest of Islam testify that Ishmael was made a great nation. Hope that helps.

I take it your looking at Goofle the new Google.

Arabs do not see Ishmael as there father 😔

 

[10-22-27]

I think you have that wrong the bible says This

God says a great nation will become from Ishmael.

What your describing is far from great is it.

I quoted from the King James. I do my own research, I don't need people to think for me, I can do my own.

Islam is the largest religion in the world. Islam has a following of 1.6 billion followers. The wealth is estimated to be about ninety billion dollars. Catholics have a following of almost 1.2 billion, and their wealth is estimated to be about thirty billion dollars. The Muslims are richer than any other religion including the Catholic church. They are armed to the teeth, have oil, and friends like China, Russia, North Korea and may now possibility possess nuclear devices. As a whole, they are united against Israel and America.

The Jews and most every nation in the middle east and north Africa are Islamic, that's what's important. They're united and have one goal, destroy Israel and the Christian community.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I quoted from the King James. I do my own research, I don't need people to think for me, I can do my own.

Islam is the largest religion in the world. Islam has a following of 1.6 billion followers. The wealth is estimated to be about ninety billion dollars. Catholics have a following of almost 1.2 billion, and their wealth is estimated to be about thirty billion dollars. The Muslims are richer than any other religion including the Catholic church. They are armed to the teeth, have oil, and friends like China, Russia, North Korea and may now possibility possess nuclear devices. As a whole, they are united against Israel and America.

The Jews and most every nation in the middle east and north Africa are Islamic, that's what's important. They're united and have one goal, destroy Israel and the Christian community.

I think you have read out of the king James version but haven't fully grasped quite a few verses. If you had you would have not added your insertion on discrimination towards Ishmael, what part of scripture about Ishmael says because his mother was a bond woman as you put it, the nation that arises from him will be Islam.

Your quote is far worse than any Islamist I've ever talked too.

Is this all of the Isreal family view point.

Do you speak for the entire Isreal family here ?.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Entire premise rejected.
NEXT!!!

I've had to do the same on several occasions

 

[wolfwint]

I think you have read out of the king James version but haven't fully grasped quite a few verses. If you had you would have not added your insertion on discrimination towards Ishmael, what part of scripture about Ishmael says because his mother was a bond woman as you put it, the nation that arises from him will be Islam.

Your quote is far worse than any Islamist I've ever talked too.

Is this all of the Isreal family view point.

Do you speak for the entire Isreal family here ?.

I would say what 10-22-27 postet is a fact.
How can you see something different?

 

[wolfwint]

I think you have read out of the king James version but haven't fully grasped quite a few verses. If you had you would have not added your insertion on discrimination towards Ishmael, what part of scripture about Ishmael says because his mother was a bond woman as you put it, the nation that arises from him will be Islam.

Your quote is far worse than any Islamist I've ever talked too.

Is this all of the Isreal family view point.

Do you speak for the entire Isreal family here ?.

You can found in Bibel that ismaelites ( descrndes from Ishmael) settlet in arabia and are mostly mentioned with Israel enemies.
But the gospel came to them (Acts 2) and Paul spendet some time in arabia. So it is to expect that they got the gospel. 600 years later they were occupied from Mohammed. And today most of them belong to the Islam.

What the koran teaches about Ishmael and Abraham it not the same what the bible says!!

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I would say what 10-22-27 postet is a fact.
How can you see something different?

I would say what 10-22-27 postet is a fact.
How can you see something different?

well I'm not for one trying to understand a view point on people's beliefs, I like to discuss with people who are openly willing to, all tho that hard for some people I realise this.

People can go that way and don't share any more, or when they share they tend to get all self defensive

Whilst other will tend to scrutinise everything to prove what there saying is right.

I don't mean to be harsh but I kinda figured we where heading to a place where a date would be announced for the rapture threads ago last week in fact.

But you know I still hold to the belief that God may well let someone know one day.

I like the discussion of prophecy really but whilst every prophecy has a starting point there's lots of scriptures that are not recognised as anything to do with the prophets which is a shame.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You can found in Bibel that ismaelites ( descrndes from Ishmael) settlet in arabia and are mostly mentioned with Israel enemies.
But the gospel came to them (Acts 2) and Paul spendet some time in arabia. So it is to expect that they got the gospel. 600 years later they were occupied from Mohammed. And today most of them belong to the Islam.

What the koran teaches about Ishmael and Abraham it not the same what the bible says!!

the great nation of Ishmael is still yet to arise for me.

What ever quotes are put forward 🙂

 

[wolfwint]

the great nation of Ishmael is still yet to arise for me.

What ever quotes are put forward 🙂

Then it is like as the jews waiting still the Messajah to come.
Today the most decendes of Ishmael belongs to the Islam.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Then it is like as the jews waiting still the Messajah to come.
Today the most decendes of Ishmael belongs to the Islam.

you'll find agreement with our friend for that not me.

 

[Ted01]

It was in 456 B.C. that the 490 years of Daniel’s prophesy began.

Forgive me, I was an Arts major, and my math needs help...
But wouldn't 490 years after a 456BC starting point be 34AD?

 

[Nehemiah6]

the great nation of Ishmael is still yet to arise for me.

That "great nation" has existed since Bible times. The Ishmaelites are the Arabs (primarily on the Arabian Peninsula).

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

That "great nation" has existed since Bible times. The Ishmaelites are the Arabs (primarily on the Arabian Peninsula).

The general view point is here by a few as of this moment is the great nation that will arise from Ishmael are those Ishmaelites are anti Isreal.

Once again that's hardly a great nation is it.

But then if we go with the narrative as of this moment being expressed by few.

Who are they focusing there assertion on,

Well to me that would be people who don't want to listen.

 

[Cameron143]

The general view point is here by a few as of this moment is the great nation that will arise from Ishmael are those Ishmaelites are anti Isreal.

Once again that's hardly a great nation is it.

But then if we go with the narrative as of this moment being expressed by few.

Who are they focusing there assertion on,

Well to me that would be people who don't want to listen.

Nineveh was called a great city and only had a half million inhabitants. Biblically, Ishmael was made into a great nation.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nineveh was called a great city and only had a half million inhabitants. Biblically, Ishmael was made into a great nation.

what needs to be realised most Cameron is Ishmael has only passed into the conscious of Christians and no more,..

There's more to it God sent Ishmael on his way because he loved him.
He secured his future by giving him a promise 🙂 it wasn't a curse he gave him.