Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[Niki7]

again, Peter was soundly rebuked by Paul for giving in to the Judaizers.

That is in the Bible. Not to mention his denying Jesus three times.

Great example. Perhaps the pope needs a better example along with Catholicism in general

Try Jesus. No human being can forgive sin. We can and should forgive those who sin against us, but that person still has to answer to God for their sin.

You are not disagreeing with me; you are disagreeing with scripture.

you simply do not like what I post....even though straight from scripture and 100% true, you x it. you are not helping yourself with those childish actions

 

[Kroogz]

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[posthuman]

what will you do if that is the case?

my guess is you will pretend it never happened.

like a good little papist denying the Truth for politik sake.

 

[Niki7]

That is completely irrelevant. Peter being rebuked just means he didn't have the absolute authority that modern Catholics assign to themselves. And Peter denying Jesus just means he wasn't infallible, and I never claimed he was.



That is incorrect. After His resurrection, Jesus told the disciples, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:23).

No it is certainly not irrelevant. Your pope should have gone with Paul but I understand that does not fit his agenda.

No human being can forgive sins. we can forgive someone who sins against us but only the blood of Jesus washes away sins and makes it possible for us to go to God with confidence.

Mary also does not forgive sins and she had children after she had Jesus so she is not an eternal virgin.

You need the truth and the Bible has it

 

[Niki7]

I never said Catholics are correct or that they have spiritual authority, I said the Pope has the physical authority over the church according to Mathew 16:19 and Isiah 22.

Good. In your case that is true but not for actual Christians who follow and worship Christ and God through the Holy Spirit.

 

[posthuman]

again, Peter was soundly rebuked by Paul for giving in to the Judaizers.

Specifically, men coming from James.
showing who was really the head deacon/elder of the Jerusalem church, as Acts 15 attests.

((hint: not Peter who was afraid of a mere emissary of another apostle))


PLZ NOTE:

((bishop while historical is NOT a Biblical roll AT ALL - serving to show that from very early the church ERRED giving men authorities they did NOT deserve))

 

[Niki7]

yeah. certain people here are not contending for the truth. but they do like a good contention

I thought Catholics had been given permission to read the Bible?

 

[Niki7]

((bishop while historical is NOT a Biblical roll AT ALL - serving to show that from very early the church ERRED giving men authorities they did NOT deserve))

true that. it's that ole power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[posthuman]

Look at the 'keys to the kingdom of heaven' in the light of the fact that a person must be 'born again, or they will not see the kingdom of heaven.

What is the actual 'key' to being with God in heaven? Accepting Christ as the One who died for you sins. Peter is not that person obviously. The keys are the instructions given by Jesus...binding, loosing and so on and most of all faith that leads to salvation in Christ.

Everyone who is actually a Christian possesses the keys....everyone. Evangelism is a key to salvation. Hearing that message of the gospel, is the key to salvation.

Peter was a coward who denied Jesus THREE times. He also backed down from the true gospel and became a hypocrite when he joined up with the Judaizers. He was soundly rebuked by Paul for doing so.

And it is significant to note, that not long, after he identified Jesus as the Son of God, Jesus rebuked him.

21From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You!”

23But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”


So we see that while Peter was a part of the foundation of the covenant in Christ and a very important one, he was also very fallible and was only imbued with power to serve God when he was filled with the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

There is alot of opposition to this simple truth, that Peter, while chosen and playing a key part in the beginnings of the church (body of Christ/true believers) he was still just a man. Fallible and actually cowardly and nothing without Jesus

This is the biblical account. The pope has no jurisdiction over the church of true believers in Christ, but if a person submits to him, they shall have him as their ruler unless they repent and turn to Christ.

Jesus actually called Peter a stumbling block. Jesus redeemed Peter, but without the Holy Spirit, Peter was nothing but a coward and a stumbling block.

We must all keep our eyes on Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith.

1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us. 2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. Hebrews 12

this seems to me to be essentially Augustine's view of these keys.
they belong to all to whom the Spirit reveals the deity of Christ.
they are not personal belongings of one man.

((pretty sure i previously said so here -and put a link to Augustine saying so.
thanks @Niki7 for the detailed explanation!))

 

[NTNT58]

this fact alone arguably makes him far more important than any other apostle.

remember the central priesthood/covenant argument of the epistle to the Hebrews: if tge first had been sufficient, there would be no need for another.

in Sinai was perfect JESUS OF NAZARETH would be utterly useless.
but the opposite is true.

I don't get how that's a valid comparison. We are talking about 2 apostles in the SAME covenant, preaching the same message. Jews have always been more important to God than Gentitles. They are called his children and the original olive tree/branches.

14 total named tribes.
always counted as 12 always depending on how you count.

same for apostles

Joseph, an incomparably important son, becomes Ephraim and Menassah, depending on how you count, 12, always, of 14

Judas, an incomparably important apostle, is replaced by Paul and Matthias, depending on how you count, 12, always, of 14


what if your utterly worldly focus on Peter 'apostle to the Jews' worship as apostle 'to the Gentile Romans ((self-contadictory much?))' makes you miss the actual Biblical pattern

what will you do if that is the case?

I don't worship Peter, so that's a strawman. I've said many times that Peter was fallible, weak, and rebellious. The rest of your argument is very poor as well. Romans did not adopt Christianity until the 4th century, long after Peter.

 

[Niki7]

tjisaeems to me to be essentially Augustines view of these keys.
the belong to all to whom the Spirit reveals tge deity of Christ.
they are not personal belongings of one man.

is yr spell check broken? on the phone?

 

[posthuman]

I thought Catholics had been given permission to read the Bible?

old skool RCC consider reading the Bible too new-fangled

 

[posthuman]

is yr spell check broken? on the phone?

i fixed! i fixed! i get 5min

lol yeah it needs reset or something.
somehow it convinced itself "tge" is legit but "the" is wrong lol

 

[posthuman]

I don't worship Peter, so that's a strawman

if you confused the word "worship" with "focus" it wasn't on my account.

maybe ask if your whole narrative falls apart if the fallible human man Peter isn't the foundation of the Church of God, is your narrative maybe highly suspiciously heretical

 

[Niki7]

old skool RCC consider reading the Bible too new-fangled

Are you saying the Pope is old?

 

[NTNT58]

You are not disagreeing with me; you are disagreeing with scripture.

you simply do not like what I post....even though straight from scripture and 100% true, you x it. you are not helping yourself with those childish actions

I gave you actual verses, so it's not me disagreeing with scripture, it's you. AND you conveniently ignored how I already refuted your claim that no man can forgive sins by quoting John 20:23. It is you who is rebelling against the church that Jesus has founded.

 

[Niki7]

i fixed! i fixed! i get 5min

lol yeah it needs reset or something.
somehow it convinced itself "tge" is legit but "the" is wrong lol

my favorite joke with spell check:

have you ever typed a word and spell check comes back with 'I ain't got nuthin for that'

 

[Niki7]

I gave you actual verses, so it's not me disagreeing with scripture, it's you. AND you conveniently ignored how I already refuted your claim that no man can forgive sins by quoting John 20:23. It is you who is rebelling against the church that Jesus has founded.

yeah that ole switch thing you like so much? that's actually called gaslighting

it's just childish

 

[posthuman]

The rest of your argument is very poor as well. Romans did not adopt Christianity until the 4th century, long after Peter.

it is your demonstrably, utterly fake history RCC argument that "Jew only" Peter is apostle to totes Gentile Rome. not mine.

this point still hasn't made it to your brain yet bruh but it will.

i point out irony by mention of it.


****slowly dawns****

 

[NTNT58]

No it is certainly not irrelevant. Your pope should have gone with Paul but I understand that does not fit his agenda.

No human being can forgive sins. we can forgive someone who sins against us but only the blood of Jesus washes away sins and makes it possible for us to go to God with confidence.

Mary also does not forgive sins and she had children after she had Jesus so she is not an eternal virgin.

You need the truth and the Bible has it

I already gave you John 20:23 showing how Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to his disciples. Everything else in your argument is strawman, I never said Mary can forgive sins or that she was eternal virgin. I also made it clear that RCC authority is only physical, not spiritual.