The Trinity

Obedience · Dec 7, 2023

God created men and women in his own image. What is being said here is not about the view of human appearance, but about Jesus Christ being the one made in the image of true God. You can say that Jesus is God, or you can say that Jesus is human, but none of this is true. Jesus is the Son of Man, also the Son of God, and the image of the invisible God. The miracles that Jesus did were all about life, resurrecting the dead, and so on
Because apart from Almighty God', the most important attribute of God is the power of life, because God's word is the word of life. Jesus is the word of life, which was with God from the beginning, and the whole world was created through the word of life. Everything is arranged for life. Jesus is from this God's word, and the word of life becomes flesh, which is Jesus Christ.

Jesus said that I am the way the life, and no one can go to the Father without following me,Jesus is an example, but it's not God who gave us an example of the Almighty God. God gave us a flesh and blood Son of Man as an example, to learn Jesus' obedience to the Father's words, rather than an Almighty God, leaving us with no way to start or learn. Where do you want me to learn from the Almighty Power? At least not at this stage.

All mankind is guilty not because they have all sinned, killed or stolen or so on, but because they do not understand God's words and have not obeyed God's words. Therefore, all mankind is guilty because they have not obeyed God's words

But God deliberately trapped the world in disobedience, in order to have mercy on them.

Nehemiah6 · Dec 7, 2023

Obedience said:

You are manufacturing your own theology.

ewq1938 · Dec 7, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

The Trinity are there:

1Co_12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man

speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that

no man can say that Jesus Is The Lord, but By The Holy Ghost."

That is God (the Father), Jesus (God the Son) and the Holy Spirit (God the Holy Spirit). Each one of those three are specifically called God in scripture.

Mem · Dec 7, 2023

Since all the altars are crushed and no incense altars remain standing, it makes sense that no one can worship God, the Father, apart from God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

so those that worship must worship in spirit and truth (John 4:24)

we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22)

Obedience · Dec 7, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

Romans 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Unbelief means disobedience here.

JaumeJ · Dec 7, 2023

I believe Messiah translates as Anointed of God, while Yeshua may be translated as My Redeemer God. God, in both translations may be said as Yahh, the shortened version of Yahweh.

Taking us back to the OT, Yeshi is the name of the father of David, the king. Yeshi meaning, My Redeemer, and his son's name, David, meaning Beloved. Think on these definitions while reading about prophesies relating to the Throne and the Beloved.

JaumeJ · Dec 7, 2023

Cameron143 said:

The Holy Name, Jesus, is but a transliteration from the Hebrew words Yeshua. Were we to have a total translation of the Hebrew Name, it would be Redeemer God (Yah(.

This lends simple and direct understanding to the words spoken by the Angel Gabriel, to name the Child Yeshua, for He shall save His people.

PS..If you are moved to wonder, His people are all who call upon Him for "Salvation..

Nehemiah6 · Dec 7, 2023

Obedience said:

More manufacturing of your own theology.

Nehemiah6 · Dec 7, 2023

JaumeJ said:

It is literally YAH + SHUA = GOD [IS] OUR SALVATION. So Jesus is not only the Savior of the world but He is literally our Salvation. And He is also called the Salvation of God in some passages in Scripture. Christ said that He is the Resurrection and the Life, as well as the Bread of Life.

PaulThomson · Dec 7, 2023

Cameron143 said:

No, they don't in themselves reveal Jesus as God.

PaulThomson · Dec 7, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

You are coming across as desperate to manufacture proof-texts for imposing your post-Nicean interpretation of scripture on the rest of the church. Was Joshua son of Nun therefore also God because His name means God is our salvation.?

Yes, Jesus is God IMHO. I am not arguing that Jesus is not God.

I am arguing that it is unreasonable and unbiblical to demand a sincere confession from unbelievers that Jesus is God, when the disciples lived and walked and talked with Jesus for three years before they realised He was actually God in the flesh, when according to the biblical record the first disciples did not demand this confession before conversion, and when the people demanding this confession are often quite unChristlike in their character.

Cameron143 · Dec 7, 2023

PaulThomson said:

Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions.

JaumeJ · Dec 7, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

I am glad what I post here is never written in stone.

Obedience · Dec 7, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

What you need to learn is not that Jesus is God, but how Jesus obeys God's words.be obedient to the word of God.

You just know that Jesus is God doesn't help you any.

GRACE_ambassador · Dec 7, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Amen. If, when sharing salvation with the lost, we Don't identify Who He
Truly Is, According To Scriptures, then of course, we are going to run into
this triple problem, eh?:

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have

not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not

received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye

might well bear with him." (2Co 11:4)

How then can the lost "call upon The Name Of The True Lord Jesus"
to be saved?

Amen?

Nehemiah6 · Dec 7, 2023

JaumeJ said:

Do you have a problem with what I posted?

The_Watchers_2017 · Dec 7, 2023

Obedience said:

God created men and women in his own image. What is being said here is not about the view of human appearance, but about Jesus Christ being the one made in the image of true God. You can say that Jesus is God, or you can say that Jesus is human, but none of this is true. Jesus is the Son of Man, also the Son of God, and the image of the invisible God. The miracles that Jesus did were all about life, resurrecting the dead, and so on
Because apart from Almighty God', the most important attribute of God is the power of life, because God's word is the word of life. Jesus is the word of life, which was with God from the beginning, and the whole world was created through the word of life. Everything is arranged for life. Jesus is from this God's word, and the word of life becomes flesh, which is Jesus Christ.

Jesus said that I am the way the life, and no one can go to the Father without following me,Jesus is an example, but it's not God who gave us an example of the Almighty God. God gave us a flesh and blood Son of Man as an example, to learn Jesus' obedience to the Father's words, rather than an Almighty God, leaving us with no way to start or learn. Where do you want me to learn from the Almighty Power? At least not at this stage.

All mankind is guilty not because they have all sinned, killed or stolen or so on, but because they do not understand God's words and have not obeyed God's words. Therefore, all mankind is guilty because they have not obeyed God's words

But God deliberately trapped the world in disobedience, in order to have mercy on them.

you know how Angels, who are SPIRIT BEINGS, can appear to us like humans, but still, they are only Angels?

the human form they use is compliant to the Image of God, especially, Their Spirit form.

how is it so unfathomable, the WORD, the Creator of ALL Things, manifested Himself into flesh as Jesus the Christ [Anointed One]?

how come Angels can do it, but, you think God [Who made the Angels], is limited from doing it Himself?

Obedience · Dec 7, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Jesus is a buffer zone between God and humans. Do you remember God saying that if a person sees me, they will surely die? If Jesus is God himself, then those who have seen Jesus should be suffocated.

What I want to express is that first Jesus is a man has flesh and blood like us, and we need to learn obedience from him, Jesus is the perfect example that God giving us the truth to learn the way the life.

My point is not whether Jesus is God or not.
Why do you have to dwell on this matter and not consider other issues.

Jesus is the way the life which is with God from the beginning, that is mean the truth of life with God from the beginning, and the truth of life became flesh which is Jesus Christ, that is all.

We need to focus on how to learn from Jesus about the truth of life.
What's the truth of life?
Obedience to the word of God.

Not Discussing whether or not Jesus is God.

It seems that you haven't read my post carefully from the beginning, otherwise you wouldn't have come to strange conclusions.

What if God created man in his own image which means God wanted to created Gods ( celestial being)?
Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

ewq1938 · Dec 7, 2023

Obedience said:

Like this?

Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Here Jacob not only wrestles with God physically, he also was allowed to see His face and live.

The_Watchers_2017 · Dec 7, 2023

Obedience said:

Nope, there's no reason to care about the example Jesus gave if He is not God.
He would just be another Prophet.
take Elijah, for example.
1 moment he is taking on all the Baal prophets and mocking them, next he is running scared from Jezebel.
that's what we learn from prophets, they're no different than us.

but none of the prophets ever had the ability to DIE, Resurrect themselves [Jesus said destroy this Temple and 3 days [[[I WILL]]] raise it up]. So, Jesus, is claiming by HIS OWN Power He can raise Himself from death to life, like He did with Lazarus.

so, it is rather important we "first establish" WHO Jesus is before we need to be using Him as some example for our lives.

and you use the portion of Scripture that no man can see God, in God's Heavenly form, and live.

and i can only assume, you believe, God could never condense Himself down to live among us?

Why would you follow a God incapable of doing these types of things?

makes no sense.

Here is Jesus in Exodus 3 as a Burning Bush.
Moses was able to stand near Him and not Die.
and look at Exodus 5:22 And Moses returned unto the LORD [in person]
and Exodus 6:
2 And God spoke unto Moses, and said unto him: 'I am the LORD;
3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH I made Me not known to them.
^

why do i mention this?

Jesus is the LORD!
that is one of His Titles [LORD of lords]
His real Name is YHWH [YAHWEH] [THE MOST HIGH GOD]

And the LORD GOD is in the presence of Moses many times and lives

here is Jesus telling the High Priest that He is the LIVING GOD:

(Yeshua is Jesus)
62. But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

how many people saw Jesus face to face?
and we know He is "I AM THE LIVING GOD"

knowing Jesus is "I AM THE LIVING GOD" makes it more sensible to now do as you have suggested, pay attention to His obedience.

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