This still doesn't explain why a Godly sorrow leads men to repentance. Both are present even if you don't believe their relationship is causal. It is not a spurious relationship.
The Security Of The Believer
- Thread starter Romans34
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Because when God reveals to me my sin, and my status against him (I am dead because of my sin) , If I respond positive and BELIEVE what God says, It should lead me to sorrow.
this sorry SHOULD lead to repentance.
which in fact SHOULD lead me to faith.
I don't know that not trusting people is a sin. Not trusting God would be.
So, all I saw was anger.
If God sends a person to me to help me, and I do not trust them.
I am in sin.
again, You need to learn what sin is.. You seem to not understand what sin is at all..
I'm a bit confused. Do you believe a Godly sorrow only attends salvation? Or is it a recurring event?
wish the same to you
again, Why do you people always do this? Is it because you can;t use any other form?? are you trying to convince yourself?
Are we not saddened after we are saved when we struggle with things?
Peter had Godly sorrow. Judas did not.
what was the difference?
I attached a file giving several Old Testament Verses. They all say TURN AWAY FROM SIN AND RETURN BACK TO GOD.
Pretty much same definition in the New Testament as well.
Do what?
Reveal the holes in the LAW you have chosen to OBEY?
Why wouldn't we do that?
We're trying to actually help you.
Imagine that...
God is the same yesterday today and forever.
Yesterday [Old Testament] God Commanded to
1. Turn Away from Sin
2. Return back to God
But somehow, Today [New Testament] man defines this Same God that never changes by
1. Go ahead and Sin
2. You never left God
Completely butt backwards.
Yesterday [Old Testament] God Commanded to
1. Turn Away from Sin
2. Return back to God
But somehow, Today [New Testament] man defines this Same God that never changes by
1. Go ahead and Sin
2. You never left God
Completely butt backwards.
Either God doesn't Change or He is a Liar!
Or, man is the Liar, by interpreting God's Holy Word in a way so he can Sin.
Or, man is the Liar, by interpreting God's Holy Word in a way so he can Sin.
lol.. Turn away 180 degree
Israel was told to turn away from sin and back to god because god saved them
thats different than us, who turned away from death and turned to God.
I think it is more than that
peter never denied god in his heart. He sinned out of fear. And he had sorrow that he could not trust God enough.. Even more. God did not condemn him for it. In fact. peter never even confessed it. Jesus healed him by asking him three times, peter do you love me (actually in the greek, it says more than that the english is a poor defenition)
Judas was never saved, and never believed in God. Was sorry, because he knew Jesus was a righteous man all the less. And the people lied to him.. he di not have godly sorrow. He had human sorrow..
God did not save all israel. But he did save them as a nation..he told the nation to turn back
your trying to take what God said to a nation of people. And relate it to induvidual people.
thats what happens when you attempt to use the word to fit your belief, and not fit your belief to the word.
do you still sin?
A legalist excuses his sin,
a person saved ny grace does not excuse their sin. They come boldly to the throne of Grace.
I don't disagree with your assessment of the two. My point is that implicit in a Godly sorrow is the activity of God.