The Security Of The Believer

[Magenta]

but the point is we know Erasmus, author, of the Textus Receptus, wrote his process.

he begins with the 10th Century, which is LATIN [not Greek, translated Greek]
so, it's impossible the kjv has anything original attached to it.

Is that a yes, or a no? I thought it was largely NT texts that were under discussion in this thread (why I asked).

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

This entire Thread is nothing but the Doctrine of human Reasoning.

We're supposed to be doers not hearers only.

You were given Faith so God can WORK through your Faith to do God's Works.

And when you have Reasoned not to do God's Works, you become USELESS and you Made that Choice to become a Bumb towards helping God.

This is about how a person is saved, and what he has been given

not about how a person acts after he is saved,.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

This is about how a person is saved, and what he has been given

not about how a person acts after he is saved,.

Grieving the Spirit, is about after a person is Saved.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Someone who makes Threads like this are not the poor in Spirit and not poor in any of their efforts.

They are Strong.

And to choose to Obey Doctrine over God's Holy Word is a choice made by your own understanding and reasoning.

Show me in the Bible where human understanding and reasoning ever play a part in God's Holy Word?

It's always 100% of the time instructed to Obey the Spirit of God.

And Grieving the Holy Spirit is the direct opposite of Obeying the Holy Spirit.

You Choose to not Listen.

Why should God not cut you off, you are the one choosing to do the Grieving?

So your not grieving God by saying his promise of eternal life is a lie?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Grieving, is making the choice to produce bad fruit not good fruit.

Either way, it's our choice which type of fruit is being produced.

true
but our eternity is not dependent on what type of fruit we bear.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

disobedience is bad fruit.

but, if you choose to always be disobedient, and i will use your words, come to a point of "not producing fruit," God said, he will cut you off like a "dead branch" on the Vine.

that person would be living in sin.

John said a child of God can not live in sin.

So this response is not even possible

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Is that a yes, or a no? I thought it was largely NT texts that were under discussion in this thread (why I asked).

there's messianic Jews, sofers, who still do the New Testament in Jesus Language, Aramaic.

i quote it sometimes.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

true
but our eternity is not dependent on what type of fruit we bear.

it depends if we Remain or Abide.
Grieving the Spirit leads to disobedience, disobedience, is never rewarded with Life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Grieving the Spirit, is about after a person is Saved.

Yes,

But sealed by the spirit is about being saved.

It does not say if we grieve the spirit we will lose the seal.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

it depends if we Remain or Abide.
Grieving the Spirit leads to disobedience, disobedience, is never rewarded with Life.

Still not applicable

we are sealed until our ressurection day.

Not until we stop being disobedience.

We grieve the spirit when we disobay. not the other way around as you claim

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

that person would be living in sin.

John said a child of God can not live in sin.

So this response is not even possible

no, that person is living by not confessing sin, because, they believe they have a guarantee.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes,

But sealed by the spirit is about being saved.

It does not say if we grieve the spirit we will lose the seal.

Grieving is mentioned with Sealing.
you act like that part never existed.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Grieving is mentioned with Sealing.
you act like that part never existed.

No

It does exist.

do not grieve the HS.. It is possible to grieve him

But its not about salvation. because he said we are sealed until redemption day..

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No

It does exist.

do not grieve the HS.. It is possible to grieve him

But its not about salvation. because he said we are sealed until redemption day..

where did i say God is the one removing the Seal?
also, Grieving, is what separates us or God won't cut you off.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

you act like you cannot put your own self into hell by separating from God.

it was about 4 months ago, i asked, what if a Saved person decided witchcraft was good to do.

they said, they're still SEALED.

practicing Idolatry and Rebellion, but still preaching about the Seal.

 

[Cameron143]

no one Saved this past 2 minutes has the growth of the Spirit in them.
and no one gets the growth of the Spirit if they do not submit to it.
what is submitting?
obeying!

It doesn't say in Philippians 2:12-13 that God is responding to us. It says He is working and we are to respond to Him.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if disobedience is an act of Rebellion
and a LAW or Doctrine claims, obedience, is works

which one, are you making as your God?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It doesn't say in Philippians 2:12-13 that God is responding to us. It says He is working and we are to respond to Him.

i did not say God responds to us anywhere!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Is that a yes, or a no? I thought it was largely NT texts that were under discussion in this thread (why I asked).

here's from the Aramaic, the Sofers translated, only for the Gospels, nothing else.

61. But he was silent, and he did not answer him anything. And again, The High Priest asked him and said, "Are you The Messiah, The Son of The Blessed One?"

62. But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if disobedience is an act of Rebellion
and a LAW or Doctrine claims, obedience, is works

which one, are you making as your God?

how many OBEYING their Doctrine, like a Command from a LAW, are in turn Disobeying God, which is the same as Rebellion and Witchcraft?

we are ALWAYS Obeying something, we are NEVER not obeying something.
whatever we do is in Obedience to WHO ever our God is.