Do you think God preserved his word perfectly in at least one set of manuscripts?
Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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You simply show you do not accept the authority of the pope while insisting we do. Laughable!
Your so-called proofs are just your opinions of what Scripture says.
That's the one I refuted with 1 Corinthians 4:15 and you never addressed my refutation.
If you could address the point? The point being, I used Scripture and you claimed I had not.
Besides, your opinions on what Scripture says are clearly wrong.
As I've said many times, we must accept all authority unless they command something against God, then and only then we must disobey, otherwise we must obey.
Well, your authority is bogus. I am not submitting to you, or the RCC. They are bogus also.
Saying we must submit to all authority is so far wrong it is out of this world wrong.
How many times are you going to repeat yourself, he asks. LOL. What a hypocrite.
1 Peter 2:13 - Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Your problem is not with me, it's with the word of God. But I'll leave you to your rebellion.
"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned" (Titus 3:10)
Yeah, THE king is not every king. You need to check yourself and adjust your erroneous opinion so it aligns with the Word of God.
You have made the RCC your king. Well, I feel sorry for you. But insisting others
submit to them just because you seem to think you have is wrong.
Again. My apologies. The article I got it from gave me faulty information. After looking for a source, I discovered this was said by Peter Ruckman and he was referring to those today who favor the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. I do not agree with Ruckman’s name calling and the immoral beliefs and actions he held. While I do not agree with Modern Textual Criticism, Ruckman saying Original Onlyist type believers are a cult is not nice, nor is it true.
So thank you for that. I do like to check sources to verify what I say. But sometimes I do drop the ball in that department. I am not perfect, but I am willing to admit when I wrong.
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I wasn’t yelling. I was merely quoting the article and I am sure they did so for added emphasis.
This is the first place I can find in our recent convos where I see you telling this LIE.
That is from page 67. The words of Jesus I gave were on page 62. Your lies have been uncovered once again.
See? You lied. Page 62 is five pages before page 67. That's about a hundred posts earlier. Maybe more.
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To the first part, yes, absolutely. Only the originals were inspired.
You simply have a wrong concept of textual criticism. The purpose is, by examining all manuscript evidence, to determine what is the original text. It's not about deciding what is an error.
You completely missed my point. I didn't say you contradicted yourself. Read more carefully.
You provided the evidence that has convinced you. It doesn't convince me. Like I said, this is a dead horse issue.
Proof only exists in mathematics. In every other field, the best you can hope for is evidence. One person's "proof" is only what that person found convincing, not what should necessarily convince anyone else. The nature of proof is not a matter that the Bible addresses, so expecting biblical proof for it is silly.
Since the God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran are not the same being, abandoning their teachings is not the same thing. The Bible is the written word from the Creator of the entire universe in which we live. The Quran, at best, is the writings of a mystic influenced by a variety of religious traditions that were transferred orally for many decades before being edited by one person over a hundred years later.
And those who were never under the authority of the RCC need not worry, because it is impossible to "rebel" against an authority that you aren't "under".