Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[CorrectiveLens]

That verse refers to unbelievers, not disagreements between believers. Everyone claims they are the ones who have the true understanding of the word of God, but most contradict each other, so that's the point of this discussion, to find the truth.

For the original poster, here is a mystery that eludes most Christians.
If you think you know the truth, all that you can do is put your truth out there among the falsehoods. It is not we that will convict but the Holy Spirit. According to Isaiah 63: 9-10, the Holy Spirit is the "angel of His presence" . In other words where His Holy Spirit is, the Father is. It is through His Holy Spirit (Glory) that the Father interacts with our reality. Our reality is in the mind of the Father. That is why the Father is everywhere, knows everything, can do anything, and even transcends time. Christ is the image of the invisible God because Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit (Glory) through which the Father communicates His will and empowers Him to create our reality. When Christ went back to Heaven to get glorified, He was given His own glory to baptize people with so that He, as well as the Father, can be present in their being.
John 17: 20-23 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the Glory (Holy Spirit) which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
Just as Christ is the temple of the Father and lives to do the Father's will, we become temples of the Father and Son and live to do the Son's will, which is also the Father's will. We get perfected when our motivation for every thought and action is love for God first, and everyone else as we love ourselves (as Christ commanded).

 

[Dino246]

That's just your opinion, and you provided no evidence to support it. Wrong as usual. All opinions and never any proof.

What you consider ‘proof’ for your claims isn’t proof anyway, so why bother?

 

[BeeBlessed]

I agree with what you said here. But we wouldn’t know this without the word (Scripture) telling us this. But I have been rereading the chapter several times now with an open mind and I can see how you can interpret verse 7 as referring only to the godly and needy. But I can also equally read it to also include the pure words of the Lord in the immediate context, too.



To a great degree… yes. God’s grace is amazing. However, we have to endure to the end to be saved in the end. There is also Sanctification which involves my continued cooperation. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Galatians 6:8-9, Romans 8:13, and 2 Corinthians 7:1. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

I’m glad you can see another interpretation of Psalm 12. God’s plan has always been to defeat Satan and save all who would turn to Him.

That’s why I believe there is one perfect Word of God I can trust today. Granted, I do use Modern Translations to help update the 1600s English in the KJB, but Modern Bibles are not my final word of authority because they teach false doctrines. I have already gave an example of that in this thread. Granted, there is a lot more examples in my write up that I hope to finish in the Spring.

I am Core KJB and not KJV only.

Yes, there is a perfect Living Word—proven by His resurrection from the dead. He made a promise to us.

And we can only know his promises by His Word. If we could not trust His word because it has errors in it, then how could we trust God’s promises?

The key word in your comment here is “if,” and it is of true concern to believers of the Word. But…

…Here is one of His most valuable promises to us:

John 14:26 NKJV

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

[Dino246]

That fallacy has nothing to do with asking a question over and over again, you don't even know what you're talking about. It's about making an assumption when asking the question, sort of like a strawman argument.

Um… you’re incorrect as well.

"Begging the question fallacy is a logical fallacy in which an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion. It is also known as petitio principii or circular reasoning. This fallacy occurs when an argument’s premise depends on or is equivalent to the argument’s conclusion. It is an attempt to prove something is true while simultaneously taking that same thing for granted." (Bing from several primary sources).

A strawman argument is quite different. In that, you 'create' a simplistic misrepresentation of the other person's argument (the "straw man") and then proceed to criticize that instead of the person's actual argument.

 

[Dino246]

That verse refers to unbelievers, not disagreements between believers. Everyone claims they are the ones who have the true understanding of the word of God, but most contradict each other, so that's the point of this discussion, to find the truth.

If your aim is to "find the truth", why do you keep arguing on behalf of the RCC? You've become just another person with a contradictory opinion.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

We all believe that God’s word is eternal and has been preserved for us throughout time.

Textual Critics or Original Onlyists do not believe this is the case with Scripture or the Bible we have today.

Quote any person who says this.

It’s not a matter of who says this, its simply a reality of my having talked with them many times and watching tons of debates.
They believe only the Originals were inspired and perfect and that all copies have been imperfectly preserved. They believe there is no copy of Scripture that is perfect and they all contains minor errors. Thus, they need to keep at the efforts of trying to reconstruct the text by new exciting discoveries in a cave somewhere. But who gets decide what is an error or not an error? Once a person starts down that road of criticizing the Bible (instead of believing it), it doesn’t stop. They become the real authority and not the Bible alone. Remember, Jesus spoke as one who had authority and He merely quoted the Scriptures. We see nothing in the Bible about textual variants or distrust of God’s Word. Only the serpent was the one who questioned God’s Word in the beginning.

 

[Obedience]

Sounds like Bible code.

Carefully read the words of the Bible, they are very complex and simple. When you are blind, you cannot understand anything. When you wipe your eyes,Oh.... I see.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

We very much appreciate what you’re saying regarding God’s Word. We’re not disagreeing that the Word of God is one of our Father’s most beloved and precious gifts to us. We live by these words! …
but … please just consider …

Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
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The psalmist begs help of God, because there were none among men whom he durst trust.
This psalm furnishes good thoughts for bad times; a man may comfort himself with such meditations and prayers. Let us see what makes the times bad, and when they may be said to be so. Ask the children of this world, What makes the times bad? they will tell you, Scarcity of money, decay of trade, and the desolations of war, make the times bad: but the Scripture lays the badness of the times on causes of another nature, 2 Timothy 3:1, & c.: perilous times shall come, for sin shall abound; and of this David complains. When piety decays times really are bad. He who made man's mouth will call him to an account for his proud, profane, dissembling, or even useless words. When the poor and needy are oppressed, then the times are very bad. God himself takes notice of the oppression of the poor, and the sighing of the needy. When wickedness abounds, and is countenanced by those in authority, then the times are very bad. See with what good things we are here furnished for such bad times; and we cannot tell what times we may be reserved for. 1. We have a God to go to, from whom we may ask and expect the redress of all our grievances. 2. God will certainly punish and restrain false and proud men. 3. God will work deliverance for his oppressed people. His help is given in the fittest time. Though men are false, God is faithful; though they are not to be trusted, God is. The preciousness of God's word is compared to silver refined to the highest degree. How many proofs have been given of its power and truth! God will secure his chosen remnant, however bad the times are. As long as the world stands, there will be a generation of proud and wicked men. But all God's people are put into the hands of Christ our Saviour; there they are in safety, for none can pluck them thence; being built on Him, the Rock, they are safe, notwithstanding temptation or persecution come with ever so much force upon them.
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The KJV Bible Commentary Edward E. Hindson, Th.D., D.Min. Woodrow Michael Kroll, Th.D.

Ps 12:6-8. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. What a contrast between the vain words of men and the pure words of God. While the words of men are vanity, the words of God are purity; while men speak with flattering lips, God speaks with tested lips. The words of God and the Word of God have passed through the furnace of persecution, philosophical disputation, scientific reasoning, and literary criticism; but they have not lost one precious ounce of their purity. God preserves and keeps those who are oppressed and needy because He keeps His word. Even when the wicked walk on every side, as a result of vile men being in positions of authority, we may still trust the Word of God, knowing that “… all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose” (Rom 8:28).

 

[NightTwister]

"If it's not 100% accurate then it's not preserved by God because God is perfect and would not allow his word to be corrupted."

This is your "begging the question" logical fallacy.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

We very much appreciate what you’re saying regarding God’s Word. We’re not disagreeing that the Word of God is one of our Father’s most beloved and precious gifts to us. We live by these words! …
but … please just consider …

Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
<< Psalm 11 | Psalm 12 | Psalm 13 >>
(Read all of Psalm 12)
Complete Concise

Chapter Contents
The psalmist begs help of God, because there were none among men whom he durst trust.
This psalm furnishes good thoughts for bad times; a man may comfort himself with such meditations and prayers. Let us see what makes the times bad, and when they may be said to be so. Ask the children of this world, What makes the times bad? they will tell you, Scarcity of money, decay of trade, and the desolations of war, make the times bad: but the Scripture lays the badness of the times on causes of another nature, 2 Timothy 3:1, & c.: perilous times shall come, for sin shall abound; and of this David complains. When piety decays times really are bad. He who made man's mouth will call him to an account for his proud, profane, dissembling, or even useless words. When the poor and needy are oppressed, then the times are very bad. God himself takes notice of the oppression of the poor, and the sighing of the needy. When wickedness abounds, and is countenanced by those in authority, then the times are very bad. See with what good things we are here furnished for such bad times; and we cannot tell what times we may be reserved for. 1. We have a God to go to, from whom we may ask and expect the redress of all our grievances. 2. God will certainly punish and restrain false and proud men. 3. God will work deliverance for his oppressed people. His help is given in the fittest time. Though men are false, God is faithful; though they are not to be trusted, God is. The preciousness of God's word is compared to silver refined to the highest degree. How many proofs have been given of its power and truth! God will secure his chosen remnant, however bad the times are. As long as the world stands, there will be a generation of proud and wicked men. But all God's people are put into the hands of Christ our Saviour; there they are in safety, for none can pluck them thence; being built on Him, the Rock, they are safe, notwithstanding temptation or persecution come with ever so much force upon them.
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We know by SCRIPTURE that God will not forsake his saints and will keep them forever.

Psalms 37:28
”For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.“

Psalms 37:40
”And the Lord shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.”

Psalms 97:10
”Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.”

Psalms 145:20
”The Lord preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy."

If these words would not endure forever perfectly, then we could not trust those words seeing they were corrupted by men.
If we say only the originals were inspired, I could potentially use textual criticism to think these verses were textual variants or in error if I did not like these verses or if I examined some new manuscript discovery that contradicted them.

But God not only keeps His saints, He also keeps His words, too. It’s by God keeping His words in how we know He will keep His saints.

Deuteronomy 33:3
”Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.”

 

[The_old_guy]

Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.

I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

It's a misuse of the Bible; just read and study it for its wonderful meaning and its application for your life (2 Timothy 3:16, 17).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I’m glad you can see another interpretation of Psalm 12. God’s plan has always been to defeat Satan and save all who would turn to Him.

I have changed on 21 things theologically over the years. I even changed on an interpretation on a verse in Romans by one who was extremely hostile and mean towards me. Their interpretation was correct despite my disagreement with their behavior. So I can see now how Psalms 12:6-7 is primarily focused on saying how God is keeping His saints. But we trust that He will keep His saints because the words of the LORD are pure words and are trustworthy. His pure words will not pass away whereby we would not know about this truth. Granted, I will admit that Psalms 12:6-7 may sound like it is a direct way of saying that He is keeping His words perfectly. If we were to read only verses 6-7, we would get this impression. But looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word, I know that Jesus talked about jots and tittles and that Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His words will not pass away.

Yes, there is a perfect Living Word—proven by His resurrection from the dead. He made a promise to us.

And we know this by the Communicated Word.

The key word in your comment here is “if,” and it is of true concern to believers of the Word. But…

There are corrupt doctrines in Modern Translations.

See my post #994 for a small sampling.

But the KJV is not corrupt. It is without error and perfect.

…Here is one of His most valuable promises to us:

John 14:26 NKJV

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

For us today: This would only be truth guided by His word (Scripture or the Bible). But yes. The Anointing can teach us the truth. Albeit this would be by the Bible and not by our own thoughts, or dreams, visions, etcetera.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I have changed on 21 things theologically over the years. I even changed on an interpretation on a verse in Romans by one who was extremely hostile and mean towards me. Their interpretation was correct despite my disagreement with their behavior. So I can see now how Psalms 12:6-7 is primarily focused on saying how God is keeping His saints. But we trust that He will keep His saints because the words of the LORD are pure words and are trustworthy. His pure words will not pass away whereby we would not know about this truth. Granted, I will admit that Psalms 12:6-7 may sound like it is a direct way of saying that He is keeping His words perfectly. If we were to read only verses 6-7, we would get this impression. But looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word, I know that Jesus talked about jots and tittles and that Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His words will not pass away.



And we know this by the Communicated Word.



There are corrupt doctrines in Modern Translations.

See my post #994 for a small sampling.

But the KJV is not corrupt. It is without error and perfect.

For us today: This would only be truth guided by His word (Scripture or the Bible). But yes. The Anointing can teach us the truth. Albeit this would be by the Bible and not by our own thoughts, or dreams, visions, etcetera.

Left out the word “not” in the above paragraph. Meant to say, “Granted, I will admit that Psalms 12:6-7 may not sound like it is a direct way of saying that He is keeping His words perfectly.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

No, Pharisees were heretics and apostates as well, but Jesus still told everyone to obey them in Mathew 23:3. Our spiritual authority is God and his word, but we also have physical worldly authority that we are to follow according to Romans 13:1. Do you disobey the laws of your country when you can get away with it?

Well, I did refuse to get their fake covid jab... it violates the revelation knowledge the Lord has given me from His Word concerning HIM being my source for health and healing!

It's sad that so many blindly went and got the fake jab and their health has been injured because of it.

 

[NTNT58]

What you consider ‘proof’ for your claims isn’t proof anyway, so why bother?

And that's just your opinion for which you have provided NO biblical proof.

 

[NTNT58]

Um… you’re incorrect as well.

"Begging the question fallacy is a logical fallacy in which an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion. It is also known as petitio principii or circular reasoning. This fallacy occurs when an argument’s premise depends on or is equivalent to the argument’s conclusion. It is an attempt to prove something is true while simultaneously taking that same thing for granted." (Bing from several primary sources).

That's basically what I said, but ok. Either way, that definition has nothing to do with asking a question over and over again like the other user claimed.

 

[NTNT58]

If your aim is to "find the truth", why do you keep arguing on behalf of the RCC? You've become just another person with a contradictory opinion.

You completely missed the point. My argument doesn't contradict itself any more than Mathew 23:3 contradicts itself. All authority is sanctioned by God whether you like it or not. I provided biblical proof for RCC authority, while you provided nothing except "I'm right and you're wrong".

 

[NTNT58]

Sounds like Bible code.

Carefully read the words of the Bible, they are very complex and simple. When you are blind, you cannot understand anything. When you wipe your eyes,Oh.... I see.

Bible code is equidistant letter sequencing, it's been debunked and it has nothing to do with what we are discussing here.

 

[Magenta]

You completely missed the point. My argument doesn't contradict itself any more than Mathew 23:3 contradicts itself. All authority is sanctioned by God whether you like it or not. I provided biblical proof for RCC authority, while you provided nothing except "I'm right and you're wrong".

Yes, your opinion does contradict itself and also goes against the Word of God.

PS~ call no man father comes straight from the mouth of Jesus.

I suggest you acquaint yourself with His words so you can stop lying about what others have or have not said.

 

[NTNT58]

This is your "begging the question" logical fallacy.

No, that's literally a question I quoted from people who oppose the bible, not an argument I made myself. I've asked you how to answer it, and you basically gave a weak answer saying you just tell people the Bible is reliable (with not proof or explanation).