The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

[selahsays]

I believe believers will obey God and perform works. Why do you believe someone who has a lifestyle of sin was ever saved?

Not possible.
“Sheep” would never have a sinful lifestyle.

 

[Cameron143]

Not possible.
“Sheep” would never have a sinful lifestyle. View attachment 258380 View attachment 258381

That's the point. People who practice sinful lifestyles fall away eventually not because they lost their salvation but because they were never saved to begin with. They merely, for a time, outwardly were conformed to religious form without the attending inward change. They had a form of godliness but denied the power thereof. Good example is the Pharisees who were outwardly whited sepulcher, but inwardly full of dead men's bones.

 

[selahsays]

That's the point. People who practice sinful lifestyles fall away eventually not because they lost their salvation but because they were never saved to begin with. They merely, for a time, outwardly were conformed to religious form without the attending inward change. They had a form of godliness but denied the power thereof. Good example is the Pharisees who were outwardly whited sepulcher, but inwardly full of dead men's bones.

Yep, like I and watchers have already said.

 

[Cameron143]

Yep, like I and watchers have already said.

This is what I have said all along. It is not what Watchers has been saying at all.

 

[selahsays]

This is what I have said all along. It is not what Watchers has been saying at all.

Well he’s saying it now, right?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

this is illogic!

we have a means, it's called forgiveness.

God does not just forgive sin, If he could do that, Christ died for nothing

i will ask you, Jesus said, ask for Forgiveness each day.

why would He say this, if my future sins, are already forgiven?

Because you acknowledge your sin. And it is required for healing, If you hide your sin, you will become numb to it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

do not forget, when Jesus said this, it was STILL LAW to go to the Temple to have Sins forgiven.

but here, Jesus, is short cutting that process by simply having us to ask EVERY DAY for Forgiveness [in our private secret Prayers].

so, it relates directly to us NOW.

The reason you had to go to temple was for an animal to die for your sin

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. But the blood of bull and goat could never remove sin, Thats why the lamb of God had to shed his blood ONCE. and he sits down as our high priest making intercession

He died for all sin. Past present and future. If he did not. we are lost forever.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

i really wished someone can show me the Verse that makes this ^ statement...

So you save yourself. It is by works. Not by grace

ok, thank you

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

all i can find: is the WARNING if YOU DO NOT ABIDE you end up in FIRE

4 abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me.

5 I am the vine, you the branches. He that abides in me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for without me you can do nothing.

6 If any one abide not in me, he is cast out as the branch and withers, and they gather it and throw it into the fire, and it is burned.



so, how do we ABIDE?
daily asking for FORGIVENESS, is how!

The passage you posted is about bearing fruit. not about being saved.

God said the moment we believe, we have eternal life

He NEVER said anything about conditional life. that WAS WHAT THE JEWS TAUGHT..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

they are already in a Eternally Damned Condition. so they are already going to the same place as those who "do not" Abide in Christ.

You do not abide in christ because you have never been attached to the vine

If you have been,

God does a work in you so you produce fruit. Including pruning the branch, Lifting the branch of the ground, and cutting away the bad Like any good vine dresser woruld do

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

God does not just forgive sin, If he could do that, Christ died for nothing

i never said that it is impossible without Christ Works upon the Cross.

Because you acknowledge your sin. And it is required for healing, If you hide your sin, you will become numb to it.

what happens if you don't acknowledge your sin and it remains forever?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Not possible.
“Sheep” would never have a sinful lifestyle. View attachment 258380 View attachment 258381

Amen

1 John 3:
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The reason you had to go to temple was for an animal to die for your sin

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. But the blood of bull and goat could never remove sin, Thats why the lamb of God had to shed his blood ONCE. and he sits down as our high priest making intercession

He died for all sin. Past present and future. If he did not. we are lost forever.

i am a Jew, i know about the Temple well beyond your understanding.
And I never said you can be Saved without the Works Christ did upon the Cross.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Well he’s saying it now, right?

no, sadly he is not

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You do not abide in christ because you have never been attached to the vine

If you have been,

God does a work in you so you produce fruit. Including pruning the branch, Lifting the branch of the ground, and cutting away the bad Like any good vine dresser woruld do

and Jesus is talking about THOSE ATTACHED to the Vine.
no one abiding gets cut and tossed into the fire.

 

[Cameron143]

Well he’s saying it now, right?

I hope so.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

i never said that it is impossible without Christ Works upon the Cross.

Then he died for all sin/ Not just your past sin.

what happens if you don't acknowledge your sin and it remains forever?

Do you know every sin you ever committed? I don't.. It would be impossible.

Plus, God knew every sin I would ever commit before he gave me eternal life. I said in fact. I know you are going to do all these sins, But I forgive you anyway..

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Then he died for all sin/ Not just your past sin.


Do you know every sin you ever committed? I don't.. It would be impossible.

Plus, God knew every sin I would ever commit before he gave me eternal life. I said in fact. I know you are going to do all these sins, But I forgive you anyway..

David said, Forgive me of things i cannot Remember or don't know that I committed.

You don't know how to Pray that way?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

i am a Jew, i know about the Temple well beyond your understanding.
And I never said you can be Saved without the Works Christ did upon the Cross.

Your talking out both sides then

You say he only forgive past sin, it means he only died (covered) past sin.

You can;t have it both ways.

If you truly understood the law and the symbology, you would understand the high priest HAD to sacrifice once a year for all past sins.

So if Jesus did not die for ALL sin forever. then he has to come back down and die for those he did not die for to begin with.

You saying your sorry will not cause God to forgive one sin.. Thats what Grace did. thats why you were born again

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

and Jesus is talking about THOSE ATTACHED to the Vine.
no one abiding gets cut and tossed into the fire.

THE DEAD BRANCHES GET CUT OFF.

Those who are xcondemned are already condemned because they have not believed.. The wrath of God already abides in them