Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[Dino246]

There is no doubt that America is blessed unlike other nations because it uplifted the good book to others.

That's opinion, not fact, and is irrelevant to the thread subject.

Also, the King James Bible went out to the ends of the Earth and caused the Great Awakening.

Um, no. The Holy Spirit brought about the Great Awakening through the preaching of His servants.

It is the most printed book in the world. It was the Bible in the English speaking world for many centuries involving Canada, the Caribbean, UK, and America. English is spoken all over the world. If you were to drop the little yellow guy in Google Earth, it will not be long before you find English on signs in other countries. Russian pilots are required to know English. English is the world language. This makes a lot of sense because God preserved His words first in one nation (Hebrew), and then in the world language of Greek with the New Testament. So God is being consistent in the way He operates.

God is indeed wise, but these facts are irrelevant.

The Scriptures would be preserved perfectly in one book or one set of Scriptures on our planet to hold men accountable.

Where is that in Scripture?

Modern Bibles DO teach false doctrines

Great claims require great evidence. The Holy Spirit doesn't teach false doctrine, and He can use any translation... as can the devil.

and they are popular in this Laodician age.

Church-age codswollop... a common pet of KJV-only proponents, it seems.

Nobody wants to be under the true authority of God’s Word.

An all-inclusive "Nobody" obviously includes you.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Correct. As you prefer the KJV, I’m sure you can interpret my statement. I’m not going to bother trying to have a respectful conversation with you if you keep asking questions like that.

It’s a honest and fair question. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. But many churches will say that only the originals were inspired. So they don’t have inspired Scripture today. Does the Bible say that only the originals were inspired? I know. These are uncomfortable questions that you probably do not prefer to answer.

In either case, may God bless you.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

There is no doubt that America is blessed unlike other nations because it uplifted the good book to others.

That's opinion, not fact,

Well, I did the study on American history and the Bible, and you didn’t, my friend.

The Scriptures also say:

”If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” (2 Chronicles 7:14).​

The founders during the Revolutionary War called men to seek forgiveness of their sins with Jesus repeatedly.
There is much of our founding nation that was Christian and influenced by the Bible. Atheists of course want to erase this truth, and even some Christians have jumped on the band wagon in this Laodicean age.

and is irrelevant to the thread subject.

There is actually historical records of men in the early days of our country who recognized that even the chapter and verse numbers in the Bible were not their by accident or placed there by random chance. So our history ties in with even this subject actually.

Um, no. The Holy Spirit brought about the Great Awakening through the preaching of His servants.

That may be partially so. The Holy Spirit is amazing indeed to lead men to the truth. John 16:8-9 says the Spirit convicts men of their sin. But preachers cannot preach without a Bible. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).

God is indeed wise, but these facts are irrelevant.

I suppose trying tell you that English is the world language or chosen language by God is absolutely insane to you. I would probably feel the same way if somebody just said this out of the blue and I had no knowledge that the KJB is Pure Word of God for today.
I came up with 101 Reasons for the KJB being the Pure Word of God for Today. I also created 10 major categories in defense of the KJB, as well. This will be available for free for all believers when I finished. I am in the process of doing the sub articles for it, which is rather a lengthy process. In short, what I am trying to say is that the more I learn on the Bible issue, the more I am convinced that the KJB is the one and only Word of God for today. But I can totally respect and or understand why you may be hostile towards that idea because Modern Scholarship is pushed pretty heavily these days.

The Scriptures would be preserved perfectly in one book or one set of Scriptures on our planet to hold men accountable.

Where is that in Scripture?

Psalms 12:6-7

6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.​

7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.​

Please take note that it is highly suspicious that the very doctrine many believers reject today is the one that is altered in the Bible we believe is the Word of God for hundreds of years long before the Westcott and Hort Vatican Bibles showed up. Verse 7 is changed.

Jesus said in John 12:48, “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”

Meaning, if we do not receive the words of Jesus, those words will judge us on the last day (i.e., the Judgment). In other words, we will be held accountable to what Jesus said. Yet, Modern Bibles actually remove certain words of Jesus and they make Him to appear to sin, too. Modern Bibles make Jesus out to be like a created demi-god, or with Him having faith like a man, or with Him having no power of His own during His earthly ministry. Modern Bibles teach abortion, and remove fornication and or water it down. Surely it is not a coincidence that in these last days, Christians today think fornication is okay with God. It’s because they have a Bible neutered like a cat. Granted, I do find Modern Bibles useful in updating the archaic language in the KJB. I also believe a person can be saved by a Modern Translation, but they cannot be our final word of authority because they say different things and they teach false doctrines.

Great claims require great evidence. The Holy Spirit doesn't teach false doctrine, and He can use any translation... as can the devil.

For the milk of the Word this may be so as long as it is not the LOL Cat Bible or the Word on the Street Translation.

Church-age codswollop... a common pet of KJV-only proponents, it seems.

So you think things are not are not bad spiritually?

An all-inclusive "Nobody" obviously includes you.

Insults are not becoming of the saints. God loves all people, and we are to correct others with love and gentleness, friend.
Surely we can discuss this topic in disagreement without the insults.

May God’s love shine upon you today.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I know this slightly off topic, but I think Christian love is in order here. This Christian film really exemplifies the love of Christ that I think people need to have today.

Trailer:

Full Movie:

I hope you all enjoy the show and that you are uplifted by it.
This in my view is what a Christian should be like. Self sacrificing, loving, and tender.

 

[NTNT58]

Merriam-Webster doesn't agree with you...

occult
adjective

1: not revealed : SECRET (emphasis added)
deep subterranean occult jealousy

2: not easily apprehended or understood : ABSTRUSE, MYSTERIOUS
occult matters like nuclear physics, radiation effects and the designing of rockets

3: hidden from view : CONCEALED
occult underground passages

4: of or relating to the occult
… the occult arts—astrology, palmistry, card reading



Good! I have seen no compelling evidence that there are messages "hidden" in numbers in Scripture, despite many claims to the contrary. There is information in the numbers, but that is not the same thing.

Oxford doesn't agree with you, and by your logic the whole Bible is occult. You obviously misunderstand the meaning of the word.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/occult

 

[Magenta]

Insults are not becoming of the saints. God loves all people, and we are to correct others with love and gentleness, friend.
Surely we can discuss this topic in disagreement without the insults.

Why is it an insult when Dino says it? Was it not an insult when you said it?

 

[Dino246]

It’s a honest and fair question. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. But many churches will say that only the originals were inspired. So they don’t have inspired Scripture today. Does the Bible say that only the originals were inspired? I know. These are uncomfortable questions that you probably do not prefer to answer.

The question is a thinly-veiled attack on my character and beliefs, not, as you claim, "honest and fair". I will conclude that you would like me to treat you "honestly and fairly".

I can do that.

 

[TheLearner]

Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.

I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

https://www.gematrix.org/?word=+muhammad
scroll down
the gematria value of Jesus in the Greek alphabet is not 888 -- use the calculator above. https://www.gematrix.org/?word=jesus+
http://www.apollowebworks.com/atheism/theomatics.html

 

[TheLearner]

Here's a secret that many do not see...

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

https://www.gematrix.org/?word=For+...n+him+should+not+perish+but+have+eternal+life.

 

[NTNT58]

They sat in Mose’s seat and they were to obey only what was in the Scriptures that they told them to do. This was not to obey them in things outside of God’s Word. If you were to read the last part of the verse, Jesus says do not do after their works.

KJV says practice and observe EVERYTHING they tell you, not just things relating to scripture. Romans 13:1 tells everyone to obey ALL authority, including corrupt and evil governments (as long as their commands don't contradict God's word). So we must obey ALL authority at ALL times, not just when they tell us to follow scripture.

This also does not equate with an apostate church like Rome today. Nowhere does the Scriptures describe Peter like a pope in any way.

Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

It doesn't matter if they are apostate, just like it doesn't matter if the government is corrupt, Romans 13:1 tells us to obey ALL authority, and there is plenty of evidence of the authority held by the Catholic church.

But the Catholic Church is condemned in Revelation 17-18. You cannot go to Rome or to an RCC without making your stomach ill andor without wanting to vomit because of all the idolatry that is going on. Some Catholic Churches even bring out skulls for you to worship. It’s pagan. It’s darkness. What fellowship does light have with darkness?
No. The Word of God says no such thing. It gave the keys to Peter and Peter is no more in line to be a pope than the Easter bunny. The RCC has a false history that is deceptive and a lie. Don’t believe what they say. Why? Look at their works. You will know false prophets by their evil fruits. Don’t submit to do any Apostate church. The Jews were not a church. You cannot conflate the Jews as being like an apostate church. The only reason you may want to submit to the RCC is if you do not see anything wrong with the evil they do on some level.

Interesting how you mention Revelation 17-18 which talks about Babylon, while in Jeremaya 27:17 God tells his people through prophet Jeremaya to serve the king of Babylon. This further aligns with Romans 13:1 telling us to obey ALL authority because all authority is ultimately from God and rebelling against it is rebelling against God. Nowhere does it say obey ALL authority "as long as it's not apostate" or "as long as it's not pagan", the Bible clearly says ALL authority is from God. It doesn't matter how much you or I hate a particular government or the Catholic church, the only reason they are in power is because God decided so. And the only reason any evil is in power is because God is using it to chastise his people. Rebelling against God's chastisement will only bring more chastisement upon you and others.

 

[TheLearner]

no time what are theomatics numbers assigned to hebrew alphabet?
compare it to numbers assigned to hebrew alphabet? are they the same?
How does one decide what words to use? Hint: it is arbitrary.

 

[NTNT58]

https://www.gematrix.org/?word=+muhammad
scroll down
the gematria value of Jesus in the Greek alphabet is not 888 -- use the calculator above. https://www.gematrix.org/?word=jesus+
http://www.apollowebworks.com/atheism/theomatics.html

Where did I say that gematria value of Jesus is 888? I don't recall ever saying anything like that.

As soon as I started seeing curse word after curse word I closed the video. Nothing Godly comes from unchristian behavior.

 

[NTNT58]

no time what are theomatics numbers assigned to hebrew alphabet?
compare it to numbers assigned to hebrew alphabet? are they the same?
How does one decide what words to use? Hint: it is arbitrary.

I don't recall the video I posted even having gematria. If it did it's a very tiny part, something like 0.1% of the numbers mentioned. Gematria is NOT counting the number of word occurrences, which is what the video is about.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?


Indeed!!

when ever a Chapter ends, and the first Verse of the "next chapter" begins with a continuation word, it means, it's the same Chapter in reality.

 

[Dino246]

That may be partially so. The Holy Spirit is amazing indeed to lead men to the truth. John 16:8-9 says the Spirit convicts men of their sin. But preachers cannot preach without a Bible. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).

Faith comes by hearing... "the Word of God", not "the word of the KJV translators".

I suppose trying tell you that English is the world language or chosen language by God is absolutely insane to you.

I suppose you like making unfounded assumptions about me. There's that donkey again.

I would probably feel the same way if somebody just said this out of the blue and I had no knowledge that the KJB is Pure Word of God for today.

You can believe whatever you like, but that doesn't make it real.

But I can totally respect and or understand why you may be hostile towards that idea because Modern Scholarship is pushed pretty heavily these days.

Another disrespectful assumption.

Psalms 12:6-7

6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.​

7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.​

What do the words "preserve from" mean?

Yet, Modern Bibles actually remove certain words of Jesus and they make Him to appear to sin, too. Modern Bibles make Jesus out to be like a created demi-god, or with Him having faith like a man, or with Him having no power of His own during His earthly ministry. Modern Bibles teach abortion, and remove fornication and or water it down. Surely it is not a coincidence that in these last days, Christians today think fornication is okay with God. It’s because they have a Bible neutered like a cat. Granted, I do find Modern Bibles useful in updating the archaic language in the KJB. I also believe a person can be saved by a Modern Translation, but they cannot be our final word of authority because they say different things and they teach false doctrines.

Great claims require great evidence. So far, you haven't provided any. Don't bother with your claims if you aren't going to back them up, because they are just empty slander.

So you think things are not are not bad spiritually?

Irrelevant. Revelation 2 and 3 were written to specific local congregations in the first century. There is no textual evidence that they are prophetic of the Church as a whole.

Insults are not becoming of the saints. God loves all people, and we are to correct others with love and gentleness, friend.
Surely we can discuss this topic in disagreement without the insults.

Surely we can discuss this topic without the unfounded assumptions and insulting implications.

 

[NTNT58]

Faith comes by hearing... "the Word of God", not "the word of the KJV translators".

You are essentially saying KJV is not the word of God. If it's not, then what is?

Surely we can discuss this topic without the unfounded assumptions and insulting implications.

Stop being a hypocrite, you've been disrespectful and presumptuous towards me from the beginning, but you don't like it when it's done to you... your behavior is extremely rude and unchristian.

 

[Dino246]

Oxford doesn't agree with you, and by your logic the whole Bible is occult. You obviously misunderstand the meaning of the word.

So two respected dictionaries provide different definitions. Does that mean either is "wrong", or does it mean that the usage in the UK is different than that in the US.

And how does the difference justify your insulting comments?

 

[Magenta]

Bible Highlighter said:
Numbers in the Bible are primarily there to show us that the Bible is divine in origin.
Dino246 said:
Really? Where does the Bible say that?
Bible Highlighter said:
So you do not believe the Bible is of divine origin?

Yeah, BHl's question was a logical fallacy.

It does not make any sense to equate asking where the Bible says numbers show
the Bible is divine --- to asking if you do not believe the Bible is of divine origins.

 

[NTNT58]

So two respected dictionaries provide different definitions. Does that mean either is "wrong", or does it mean that the usage in the UK is different than that in the US.

And how does the difference justify your insulting comments?

You are not the one to talk about insulting comments... also, telling you that you are confused about a definition of a commonly confused word is NOT an insult. Occult means magic, not just something that's hidden. You can't just cherry-pick definitions that suit your opinions, you have to look at the whole. Nothing in the Bible is occult.

 

[Dino246]

You can't just cherry-pick definitions that suit your opinions

Neither can you.