The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security
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I agree He is always just. That's why I posed the question. I would be interested to your answer to the question I posed.
As far as fairness, the Bible never states that God is fair.
Is that out of the 2nd or 3rd Book of Speculations???
The answer to your question is in the reply that I have provided for you homie!
It's no wonder those with gobbledygook on the brain can't understand what God's Word teaches!
@Cameron143
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
- 2 Corinthians 5:21
Now, does it say sin or sins?
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
- 2 Corinthians 5:21
Now, does it say sin or sins?
There's always a reason a person doesn't answer direct questions. They don't want to come to the logical conclusion. So they evade and obfuscate.
You're answer may be in all the gobbledygook, but the answer to the question I asked is simply yes or no. I purposely kept it simple. Will you answer yes or no?
It seems Jimmy is rubbing off on you. I gave you a scenario and asked a question. Can you please answer the question I proposed. A simple yes or no is all I'm interested in.
OR, we could do what Galatians 5:16 says...
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
This is possible because...
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Romans 8:11-13
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
The false teachers have convinced people that they cannot help but sin everyday in thought, word, and deed.
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
This is possible because...
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Romans 8:11-13
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
The false teachers have convinced people that they cannot help but sin everyday in thought, word, and deed.
Let's see now
They chose ... choice is not free will, you can only choose between the options given, the One giving the options is the only One who has free sovereign will. Moreover consider this
Adam was created by God's own will, God did not ask him "would you like to be created?" He did not confer "what manner of creation would you like to be created?" God created Eve with ne'er a "please may I?"
Strange that nobuddy gets angry about this
I mean how dare we talk about foreknowledge and predestiny? [we'll get slandered as Calvins]
So Adam had life, the life had given him, but this does not meet God's requirement for love. having created us God now seeks our approval of His creation [of ourselves in His beautiful garden of delight] THAT'S why the tree.
Man was FREE to live and enjoy ... but if he chose to die ... dead men have no freewill, so even the choice is a non choice. How COULD Satan tempt Adam? the answer was to trick him, how?
He tricked him into believing he had free will, he tricked him into believing he could do whatever he pleased with no consequence "You'll be like God ... you will not die"
... 'scuse me I just cooked up some delicious pork belly slices which I just gotta eat ... I'll get back to you[/QUOTE]
Lets see.
Do i eat of this tree. Or do I not eat of this tree.
Thats The temptation
Jesus was tempted in all ways yet did nto sin.
Adam was tempted once. And fell.. But he still could have walked away, as could have eve
Hmm.. Man did not have a choice??
Since when??
They chose ... choice is not free will, you can only choose between the options given, the One giving the options is the only One who has free sovereign will. Moreover consider this
Adam was created by God's own will, God did not ask him "would you like to be created?" He did not confer "what manner of creation would you like to be created?" God created Eve with ne'er a "please may I?"
Strange that nobuddy gets angry about this
I mean how dare we talk about foreknowledge and predestiny? [we'll get slandered as Calvins]So Adam had life, the life had given him, but this does not meet God's requirement for love. having created us God now seeks our approval of His creation [of ourselves in His beautiful garden of delight] THAT'S why the tree.
Man was FREE to live and enjoy ... but if he chose to die ... dead men have no freewill, so even the choice is a non choice. How COULD Satan tempt Adam? the answer was to trick him, how?
He tricked him into believing he had free will, he tricked him into believing he could do whatever he pleased with no consequence "You'll be like God ... you will not die"
... 'scuse me I just cooked up some delicious pork belly slices which I just gotta eat ... I'll get back to you
[/QUOTE]Lets see.
Do i eat of this tree. Or do I not eat of this tree.
Thats The temptation
Jesus was tempted in all ways yet did nto sin.
Adam was tempted once. And fell.. But he still could have walked away, as could have eve
Hmm.. Man did not have a choice??
Since when??
But that is free will. Some are broken and in pride. Turn to drugs, alcohol. Sex or suicide to stop the pain
Others turn to christ.
Adam and Eve were of the natural world which God proclaimed a being "good" and "very good" (not perfect).
Let's see now
They chose ... choice is not free will, you can only choose between the options given, the One giving the options is the only One who has free sovereign will. Moreover consider this
Adam was created by God's own will, God did not ask him "would you like to be created?" He did not confer "what manner of creation would you like to be created?" God created Eve with ne'er a "please may I?"
Strange that nobuddy gets angry about this
So Adam had life, the life had given him, but this does not meet God's requirement for love. having created us God now seeks our approval of His creation [of ourselves in His beautiful garden of delight] THAT'S why the tree.
Man was FREE to live and enjoy ... but if he chose to die ... dead men have no freewill, so even the choice is a non choice. How COULD Satan tempt Adam? the answer was to trick him, how?
He tricked him into believing he had free will, he tricked him into believing he could do whatever he pleased with no consequence "You'll be like God ... you will not die"
... 'scuse me I just cooked up some delicious pork belly slices which I just gotta eat ... I'll get back to you
Lets see.
Do i eat of this tree. Or do I not eat of this tree.
Thats The temptation
Jesus was tempted in all ways yet did nto sin.
Adam was tempted once. And fell.. But he still could have walked away, as could have eve
Hmm.. Man did not have a choice??
Since when??[/QUOTE]
YOU didn't have a choice, Adam had a choice.
You are born a sinner, you were bound to sin. You will die because of it, you are bound to death.
God has had mercy upon your enslaved soul, your will which was in bondage to sin and death. It did it while you were yet in your sins.
Give God ALL the praise and glory ... don't now say you were free all along.
Your analogy of Noah's ark is false. there was only one door and only God could open or shut it.
Well I discern everyone needs to be saved. but to answer directly I know [from God] when someone is on the hook.
I may love my Arminian brothers but it is a great mistake to go asoulwinning with them for they are of a different mind. I was preaching in Hyde Park London and the crowds were swirling around, I read Isaiah "Come let us reason together saith the Lord, though your sins be as scarlet they shall be made as white as wool." [British people know what coal is] I shouted out "Your heart may be as black as coal but God can make you as pure as the driven snow"
There were 3 naughty boys making their way through the crowds some 50 yards away, motor cycle boys, greasers, and bobbing along behind a little blonde thing in her leathers and studs ... she was one of the boys. Now I do not have a loud voice, my voice soon breaks yet somehow my words fell on that girl like a ton of bricks. She made for me like an irate wasp "what did you say that to me for?" she demanded.
I explained to her that I was simply reading a promise that God has made to you, "if you will come to Him He will make your heart as pure as snow by a miracle" she was AMAZED "do you really mean that?"
Aw when people search your eyes intently trying to understand, it is worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.
But my belovéd Arminian friend couldn't away with that, he put his finger up "ah brother we must be very careful about what we promise"
I coulda bit his finger off, she looked at me, she looked at him, she looked back at me and turned away back to her boys. My heart longed after her ....
I agree; they were deceived by the “serpent” in the garden.
In a nutshell, "Sin" is the fallen state that affects every human being on the planet. Thoughts, words, or deeds of disobedience are considered "sins," and the motivation behind our desire to engage in such wicked behavior is referred to as the state of "sin." In his well-known Psalm of confession, King David makes reference to his inherited sinfulness. In Psalm 51:5, notice that David refers to the word “sin” (singular).
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, According to Your lovingkindness; According to the multitude of Your tender mercies, Blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions, And my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned, And done this evil in Your sight—That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.- Psalm 51:1-5 (NKJV)
In verse 5, David is referring to the sin state in which he was born rather than any specific "sins."
The explanation of our fallen state is made clear in Romans 5:12:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned — And in Romans 6:23, it is written: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The price of sin is death.
As a result, we are born into sin (the fallen state) and commit acts of disobedience. We do not sin because we are sinners; rather, sin is what we do because we are sinners. We are all lost because of this. Because of the fatal condition of sin into which we are all born and which subsequently drives us to commit sins or disobey God's Word in our thoughts, words, and deeds, the world is condemned before God:
As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.- Romans 3:10-11,23-26
Without God's grace, there would be no hope for our situation. …
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
- Ephesians 2:4-9
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
- 2 Corinthians 5:21
I agree.
And your approach was the correct one indeed.
Religious people and myself don't get along very well. And I definitely understand your position.
It's a shame about that girl. A soul that definitely would have given herself to God, but lost possibly forever over the actions of a zealot.
Happens all the time.
People, claim predestination. But I see many times, the person, would have come to God, but the so-called Follower of God is the guilty one who ran them straight into the gates of Hell.
One has to believe, God, will reward that type of action reaction accordingly.
Anything God created was good and very good. To me, thats perfect.. ,
In the way God designed nd created them, they were effect.
Even better, they had no sin, or sin nature. So they earned the right to be in the presence of God. (they are the only two other that Christ who had accomplished that, (up to the point where they gave into temptation and chose to sin.
Your right,, but they had to chose in free will to go down that path.
Many have chosen to be freed from t hat path. And recieved christ.