Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
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Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
No. He does not know from all eternity the individuals who will die having rejected all or some sound doctrine. Nowhere in scripture is this idea claimed.
And God does not know from all eternity all the potential false doctrine systems that will arise over history. This theory would mean that every evil and vile action and idea has eternally existed in a God who is light and in whom is no darkness at all. Scripture does not claim anywhere that God has known forever all possible evil thoughts, actions and imaginations limited free will beings can devise. All we are told is that he anticipated a falling short from complete faith and faithfulness and the need to have prepared some just means of reconciling sinners to Himself if and when that contingency arises.
No. He does not know from all eternity the individuals who will die having rejected all or some sound doctrine. Nowhere in scripture is this idea claimed.
And God does not know from all eternity all the potential false doctrine systems that will arise over history. This theory would mean that every evil and vile action and idea has eternally existed in a God who is light and in whom is no darkness at all. Scripture does not claim anywhere that God has known forever all possible evil thoughts, actions and imaginations limited free will beings can devise. All we are told is that he anticipated a falling short from complete faith and faithfulness and the need to have prepared some just means of reconciling sinners to Himself if and when that contingency arises.
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● Eph 1:4-5 . .He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, that
we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to
adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,
Predestination isn't random; it's typically always the consequence of
foreknowledge. In other words: God has always known, from the very
beginning, by means of prescience, who will, and who won't, come to faith in
His son. And seeing as how He had that information at hand early on, then it
was safe and practical to go ahead and establish their adoption in advance
seeing as how it's a sure thing.
● Rom 8:29 . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be
conformed to the likeness of His son.
FAQ: If God predestined Christ's followers to be conformed to the likeness of
His son, then wouldn't that mean He predestined Christ's opponents to be
conformed to the Devil?
REPLY: I should think that a reasonable assumption. In point of fact,
passages like John 8:44 and Eph 2:1-2 strongly suggest that the process of
conforming folks to the Devil's likeness is the default, i.e. everybody starts
out on that path.
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● Eph 1:4-5 . .He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, that
we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to
adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,
Predestination isn't random; it's typically always the consequence of
foreknowledge. In other words: God has always known, from the very
beginning, by means of prescience, who will, and who won't, come to faith in
His son. And seeing as how He had that information at hand early on, then it
was safe and practical to go ahead and establish their adoption in advance
seeing as how it's a sure thing.
● Rom 8:29 . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be
conformed to the likeness of His son.
FAQ: If God predestined Christ's followers to be conformed to the likeness of
His son, then wouldn't that mean He predestined Christ's opponents to be
conformed to the Devil?
REPLY: I should think that a reasonable assumption. In point of fact,
passages like John 8:44 and Eph 2:1-2 strongly suggest that the process of
conforming folks to the Devil's likeness is the default, i.e. everybody starts
out on that path.
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“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;" Isaiah 46:9-10
"Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite." Psalm 147:5
"Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all." Psalm 139:4
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;" Isaiah 46:9-10
"Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite." Psalm 147:5
"Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all." Psalm 139:4
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Who were chosen? Paul does not say, "He chose us before the foundation of the world..." He says , "He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world..." How should these words be grouped?
A. "He-chose-us-in-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world..." i.e. Before-the-foundation-of-the-world, He-chose-all-those-who-become-in-Christ-through-faith (and we are some of those)...
or B. "He-chose us-in-Christ-before-the-foundation-of-the-world" i.e. Us-who-were-in-Christ-before-the-foundation-of-the-world, He chose...
or C: "He-chose-us in/by-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world." i.e. In/by-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world He-chose-us...
Each of these is possible from the Greek grammar, but they each mean different things.
A asserts either that the specific members of the category/set {those chosen in Christ) was chosen before the foundation of the world; or that the set/category {those chosen in Christ) was chosen before the foundation of the world but not its specific members.
B. asserts that He chose the set (those in Christ before the foundation of the world before the foundation of the world).
C. asserts that Before the foundation of the world, Christ was the instrument by which God chose the church.
The text itself does not clearly indicate which of these is what was meant by the Holy Spirit through Paul.
The greek word for pre-destined is made up of pro- (beforehand) -hor- (from horaO: I limit) and -iz- to make i.e. prohorizO = I make limited beforehand.
It points to the limitation of the object to reach only thus far. It does not point to the forcing of the object to attain the limit being presented.
Before the foundation of the earth, God chose us who are in Christ to mature toward but not beyond conformity to the image of Jesus. A disciple when he is fully taught will be like his master, but not beyond his master. And not all disciples will attain the maximum within the limit set. That is Paul's point.
A. "He-chose-us-in-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world..." i.e. Before-the-foundation-of-the-world, He-chose-all-those-who-become-in-Christ-through-faith (and we are some of those)...
or B. "He-chose us-in-Christ-before-the-foundation-of-the-world" i.e. Us-who-were-in-Christ-before-the-foundation-of-the-world, He chose...
or C: "He-chose-us in/by-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world." i.e. In/by-Christ before-the-foundation-of-the-world He-chose-us...
Each of these is possible from the Greek grammar, but they each mean different things.
A asserts either that the specific members of the category/set {those chosen in Christ) was chosen before the foundation of the world; or that the set/category {those chosen in Christ) was chosen before the foundation of the world but not its specific members.
B. asserts that He chose the set (those in Christ before the foundation of the world before the foundation of the world).
C. asserts that Before the foundation of the world, Christ was the instrument by which God chose the church.
The text itself does not clearly indicate which of these is what was meant by the Holy Spirit through Paul.
The greek word for pre-destined is made up of pro- (beforehand) -hor- (from horaO: I limit) and -iz- to make i.e. prohorizO = I make limited beforehand.
It points to the limitation of the object to reach only thus far. It does not point to the forcing of the object to attain the limit being presented.
Before the foundation of the earth, God chose us who are in Christ to mature toward but not beyond conformity to the image of Jesus. A disciple when he is fully taught will be like his master, but not beyond his master. And not all disciples will attain the maximum within the limit set. That is Paul's point.
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Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
Yes He does ------God is an omniscient God ------He knows who will accept and reject the Gospel of Grace -----He had a plan in place before He created this world ------and His plan is still playing out -----
He knows every minute of every day what will be taking place in our lives and in this world -------and in our hearts ------
No one comes to hearing the Gospel unless they are Drawn by God to hear -----no one can change their hardened heart to accept the Gospel unless God changes their heart from hardened to a soft heart so they will receive what the Gospel is saying -------so God known every single person who will respond to His Word and every single person who will reject his word right to the end of this world ------
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https://www.gotquestions.org/God-omniscient.html
Omniscience is defined as “the state of having total knowledge, the quality of knowing everything.” For God to be sovereign over His creation of all things, whether visible or invisible, He has to be all-knowing. His omniscience is not restricted to any one person in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all by nature omniscient.
God knows everything (1 John 3:20). He knows not only the minutest details of our lives but those of everything around us, for He mentions even knowing when a sparrow falls or when we lose a single hair (Matthew 10:29-30). Not only does God know everything that will occur until the end of history itself (Isaiah 46:9-10), but He also knows our very thoughts, even before we speak forth (Psalm 139:4). He knows our hearts from afar; He even saw us in the womb (Psalm 139:1-3, 15-16). Solomon expresses this truth perfectly when he says, “For you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind” (1 Kings 8:39).
Despite the condescension of the Son of God to empty Himself and make Himself nothing (Philippians 2:7), His omniscience is clearly seen in the New Testament writings. The first prayer of the apostles in Acts 1:24, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart,” implies Jesus’ omniscience, which is necessary if He is to be able to receive petitions and intercede at God’s right hand. On earth, Jesus’ omniscience is just as clear. In many Gospel accounts, He knew the thoughts of his audience (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Mark 2:6-8; Luke 6:8). He knew about people’s lives before He had even met them. When He met the woman collecting water at the well at Sychar, He said to her, “The fact is you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband” (John 4:18). He also tells His disciples that their friend Lazarus was dead, although He was over 25 miles away from Lazarus’s home (John 11:11-15). He advised the disciples to go and make preparation for the Lord’s Supper, describing the person they were to meet and follow (Mark 14:13-15). Perhaps best of all, He knew Nathanael before ever meeting him, for He knew his heart (John 1:47-48).
Clearly, we observe Jesus’ omniscience on earth, but this is where the paradox begins as well. Jesus asks questions, which imply the absence of knowledge, although the Lord asks questions more for the benefit of His audience than for Himself. However, there is another facet regarding His omniscience that comes from the limitations of the human nature which He, as Son of God, assumed. We read that as a man He “grew in wisdom and stature” (Luke 2:52) and that He learned “obedience through suffering” (Hebrews 5:8). We also read that He did not know when the world would be brought to an end (Matthew 24:34-36). We, therefore, have to ask, why would the Son not know this, if He knew everything else? Rather than regarding this as just a human limitation, we should regard it as a controlled lack of knowledge. This was a self-willed act of humility in order to share fully in our nature (Philippians 2:6-11; Hebrews 2:17) and to be the Second Adam.
Finally, there is nothing too hard for an omniscient God, and it is on the basis of our faith in such a God that we can rest secure in Him, knowing that He promises never to fail us as long as we continue in Him. He has known us from eternity, even before creation. God knew you and me, where we would appear in the course of time, and whom we would interact with. He even foresaw our sin in all its ugliness and depravity, yet, in love, He set his seal upon us and drew us to that love in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:3-6). We shall see Him face to face, but our knowledge of Him will never be complete. Our wonder, love and praise of Him shall go on for all millennia as we bask in the rays of His heavenly love, learning and appreciating more and more of our omniscient God
Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
Yes He does ------God is an omniscient God ------He knows who will accept and reject the Gospel of Grace -----He had a plan in place before He created this world ------and His plan is still playing out -----
He knows every minute of every day what will be taking place in our lives and in this world -------and in our hearts ------
No one comes to hearing the Gospel unless they are Drawn by God to hear -----no one can change their hardened heart to accept the Gospel unless God changes their heart from hardened to a soft heart so they will receive what the Gospel is saying -------so God known every single person who will respond to His Word and every single person who will reject his word right to the end of this world ------
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https://www.gotquestions.org/God-omniscient.html
Omniscience is defined as “the state of having total knowledge, the quality of knowing everything.” For God to be sovereign over His creation of all things, whether visible or invisible, He has to be all-knowing. His omniscience is not restricted to any one person in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all by nature omniscient.
God knows everything (1 John 3:20). He knows not only the minutest details of our lives but those of everything around us, for He mentions even knowing when a sparrow falls or when we lose a single hair (Matthew 10:29-30). Not only does God know everything that will occur until the end of history itself (Isaiah 46:9-10), but He also knows our very thoughts, even before we speak forth (Psalm 139:4). He knows our hearts from afar; He even saw us in the womb (Psalm 139:1-3, 15-16). Solomon expresses this truth perfectly when he says, “For you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind” (1 Kings 8:39).
Despite the condescension of the Son of God to empty Himself and make Himself nothing (Philippians 2:7), His omniscience is clearly seen in the New Testament writings. The first prayer of the apostles in Acts 1:24, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart,” implies Jesus’ omniscience, which is necessary if He is to be able to receive petitions and intercede at God’s right hand. On earth, Jesus’ omniscience is just as clear. In many Gospel accounts, He knew the thoughts of his audience (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Mark 2:6-8; Luke 6:8). He knew about people’s lives before He had even met them. When He met the woman collecting water at the well at Sychar, He said to her, “The fact is you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband” (John 4:18). He also tells His disciples that their friend Lazarus was dead, although He was over 25 miles away from Lazarus’s home (John 11:11-15). He advised the disciples to go and make preparation for the Lord’s Supper, describing the person they were to meet and follow (Mark 14:13-15). Perhaps best of all, He knew Nathanael before ever meeting him, for He knew his heart (John 1:47-48).
Clearly, we observe Jesus’ omniscience on earth, but this is where the paradox begins as well. Jesus asks questions, which imply the absence of knowledge, although the Lord asks questions more for the benefit of His audience than for Himself. However, there is another facet regarding His omniscience that comes from the limitations of the human nature which He, as Son of God, assumed. We read that as a man He “grew in wisdom and stature” (Luke 2:52) and that He learned “obedience through suffering” (Hebrews 5:8). We also read that He did not know when the world would be brought to an end (Matthew 24:34-36). We, therefore, have to ask, why would the Son not know this, if He knew everything else? Rather than regarding this as just a human limitation, we should regard it as a controlled lack of knowledge. This was a self-willed act of humility in order to share fully in our nature (Philippians 2:6-11; Hebrews 2:17) and to be the Second Adam.
Finally, there is nothing too hard for an omniscient God, and it is on the basis of our faith in such a God that we can rest secure in Him, knowing that He promises never to fail us as long as we continue in Him. He has known us from eternity, even before creation. God knew you and me, where we would appear in the course of time, and whom we would interact with. He even foresaw our sin in all its ugliness and depravity, yet, in love, He set his seal upon us and drew us to that love in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:3-6). We shall see Him face to face, but our knowledge of Him will never be complete. Our wonder, love and praise of Him shall go on for all millennia as we bask in the rays of His heavenly love, learning and appreciating more and more of our omniscient God
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What is the doctrine of divine grace?
Divine grace is a theological term present in many religions. It has been defined as the divine influence which operates in humans to regenerate and sanctify, to inspire virtuous impulses, and to impart strength to endure trial and resist temptation; and as an individual virtue or excellence of divine origin.
What is the doctrine of divine grace?
Divine grace is a theological term present in many religions. It has been defined as the divine influence which operates in humans to regenerate and sanctify, to inspire virtuous impulses, and to impart strength to endure trial and resist temptation; and as an individual virtue or excellence of divine origin.
The end and the beginning do not include the middle.
The Hebrew says "His understanding ( Li-TBUNaTU ) is without ( 'iYN ) number ( MiShPaR)
The series of odd umbers is infinite. The series of even numbers is infinite. One can know all the odd numbers, an uncountable number of numbers, without yet knowing all the even numbers. That God understands an uncountable number of things does not necessitate Him never adding to that uncountable knowledge with more knowledge as new presents arrive and become the past.
So, none of these texts prove your claim.
The Hebrew says "His understanding ( Li-TBUNaTU ) is without ( 'iYN ) number ( MiShPaR)
The series of odd umbers is infinite. The series of even numbers is infinite. One can know all the odd numbers, an uncountable number of numbers, without yet knowing all the even numbers. That God understands an uncountable number of things does not necessitate Him never adding to that uncountable knowledge with more knowledge as new presents arrive and become the past.
So, none of these texts prove your claim.