Israel Declares War
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Wonderful in theory. The problem is that we do not live in a theoretical world. If nations refuse to defend themselves, evil will take over entirely. It was not Christians singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" that defeated Germany and Japan. It was Russians, British, Commonwealth and American forces, shedding their blood so people like you could be free to say your bit in a democracy.
Christians are called to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. The reason that Israel is under attack is because she represents visibly the power of God to cause His word to come to pass. Jesus said that we would hear of war and rumours of war. Peace loving USA has been at peace for 17 years since 1776. How long since a foreign nation has attacked the American mainland?
No, Christians will not change the world. It is God's enemy and controlled by Satan. For sure, many will be saved. But the world is God's enemy. It seems that the only country in the world condemned for defending itself is Israel. I wonder why.
Christians are called to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. The reason that Israel is under attack is because she represents visibly the power of God to cause His word to come to pass. Jesus said that we would hear of war and rumours of war. Peace loving USA has been at peace for 17 years since 1776. How long since a foreign nation has attacked the American mainland?
No, Christians will not change the world. It is God's enemy and controlled by Satan. For sure, many will be saved. But the world is God's enemy. It seems that the only country in the world condemned for defending itself is Israel. I wonder why.
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Nothing theoretical about the crucified and resurrected Christ or taking up your cross and following Him.
Nothing was defeated. We have had wars and people being self centered, vengeful, and hateful for six thousand years. The only victory we have seen over Satan in the last six thousand years was two thousand years ago on the cross of Christ. Anyone who doesn't see that is not a genuine believer.
Jesus is the prince of Peace, without Jesus there is no peace. They rejected the prince of peace 2,000 years ago, and they have not had peace since. When I pray for the peace of Jerusalem that includes praying that they will see that Jesus is the Messiah and savior of the world. Anything else is ineffective.
Well then they will have peace when the word of God is fulfilled saying "you will not see Him again until you say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord".
The only thing restraining evil right now is the glorious church that is filled with the Holy Spirit. When they are removed from the scene people will then appreciate how big an impact a few spirit filled Christians had on the world. You will then see where this strategy of fighting and killing each other will lead.
Nothing was defeated. We have had wars and people being self centered, vengeful, and hateful for six thousand years. The only victory we have seen over Satan in the last six thousand years was two thousand years ago on the cross of Christ. Anyone who doesn't see that is not a genuine believer.
Jesus is the prince of Peace, without Jesus there is no peace. They rejected the prince of peace 2,000 years ago, and they have not had peace since. When I pray for the peace of Jerusalem that includes praying that they will see that Jesus is the Messiah and savior of the world. Anything else is ineffective.
Well then they will have peace when the word of God is fulfilled saying "you will not see Him again until you say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord".
The only thing restraining evil right now is the glorious church that is filled with the Holy Spirit. When they are removed from the scene people will then appreciate how big an impact a few spirit filled Christians had on the world. You will then see where this strategy of fighting and killing each other will lead.
Clearly you have not understood my posts, a sad commentary in so many ways.
At the time the Palestinians were forced to leave their homes around 1948 there should have been a peace offering made. Had Israel chosen to do that it would have seemed very expensive at the time, but it would have been pennies on the dollar compared to how much they have spent on fighting terrorism since then.
At the time the Palestinians were forced to leave their homes around 1948 there should have been a peace offering made. Had Israel chosen to do that it would have seemed very expensive at the time, but it would have been pennies on the dollar compared to how much they have spent on fighting terrorism since then.
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I do not understand you at all. Do you not see that there is no hope for the whole world to be saved? The gospel is preached and mostly rejected. Unless the whole world gets saved at the same time, wars will continue. It's the nature of fallen man. Jesus preached for 3-1/2 years to His own covenant people. They rejected Him. There were maybe a thousand believers when rose from the grave. Not much to show for those years of miracles and preaching and teaching. Why? Because the heart of man is utterly wicked and loves to sin. God's love is rejected by most. It's sad, but that's how it is. Yes, Christians are the power that restrains the Antichrist. That's why I believe in pretrib rapture. And yes, the full wickedness of the heart of sinful man will be on display for all to see. For now, God's grace still prevails. His judgement will come, sooner or later.
I have been scratching my head about it as well. People suddenly using the same news sources that they have been repeating as fake news for years are now telling the truth in their one-sided "journalism" of Israel. That isn't to say a broken clock is right twice a day in fairness.
As for your statement about only targeting the criminals/terrorists and not the civilians, this should be the standard. This is why people all over the world are objecting to what Israel is doing (and rightfully so). The dissenting view is that when you are in a state of war, civilians go from being "murdered" to being "collateral damage", even if you knowingly launch an attack that will kill far more civilians than enemy combatants. In essence, nothing is a war crime when in a state of warm: You can settle on occupied land, kill more children than actual Hamas terrorists, shut off electricity, water, communications etc... But when someone does that to you in a future war, it will probably go back to being a war crime.
As for your statement about only targeting the criminals/terrorists and not the civilians, this should be the standard. This is why people all over the world are objecting to what Israel is doing (and rightfully so). The dissenting view is that when you are in a state of war, civilians go from being "murdered" to being "collateral damage", even if you knowingly launch an attack that will kill far more civilians than enemy combatants. In essence, nothing is a war crime when in a state of warm: You can settle on occupied land, kill more children than actual Hamas terrorists, shut off electricity, water, communications etc... But when someone does that to you in a future war, it will probably go back to being a war crime.
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A peace offering? How many Muslim countries have even recognised Israel's right to exist? What offering do you suggest? Palestinians were not forced to leave their homes, by the way. i don't know where you got that idea from. The 5 invading nations were so sure of victory that they advised non Jews to get out of Israel. Most did, but the population of Israel is still 20 % Arab.
The early settlers in Israel (pre 1948) bought land from the Arabs who lived there. It was administered by the British. They pulled out and left Israel to fend for itself. It is a miracle that Israel survived the initial invasion. It took a year befoe the invasion was defeated. The Arabs nations should have been forced to pay reparations to Israel, not Israel to Palestinians.
The early settlers in Israel (pre 1948) bought land from the Arabs who lived there. It was administered by the British. They pulled out and left Israel to fend for itself. It is a miracle that Israel survived the initial invasion. It took a year befoe the invasion was defeated. The Arabs nations should have been forced to pay reparations to Israel, not Israel to Palestinians.
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The seven seals that Jesus opened explain this mystery of how Jesus and the church will inherit the whole earth.
1. We speak the gospel throughout the entire earth and we battle the false, corrupted gospels that the spirit of antichrist speaks.
2. The gospel ministry is a spiritual warfare, that is where the real battle is. The only thing that stands strong over thousands of years is faith, hope and love, everything else is vanity, dust in the wind.
3. The world is suffering a famine for the word of God as a result of this battle between the Lord and Satan. Therefore we need to speak the word of life to feed and care for the lost sheep and those wounded by this age.
4. The world is infested with plagues. Alcoholism is a plague, drug addiction is a plague, broken families are a plague, gambling is a plague, etc. The only cure to these plagues is Jesus Christ and the gospel of grace.
5. These four seals reveal that Jesus is the true shepherd that can truly care for the sheep and the world. As a result Satan is exposed. Rather than confess and repent he martyrs those that stand for the Lord and are filled with the Holy Spirit. This exposes the fallacy of His ruling and reign. However, God is the one who judges the hearts of man. It is necessary that many are martyred standing for righteousness to discern those who are one with Satan and those who are simply useful idiots.
6. After all of this there are still those, like doubting Thomas who will not believe unless they see everything take place before their eyes. They will witness the rapture that they heard about for years, they will see the Antichrist, the mark of the Beast, the beast system, and all of the horrors described in the book of Revelation. Here is where God will complete the harvest. The numbers who turn to the Lord at this time will be innumerable.
7. Then we have God's judgement poured out on those who despite all this refuse to confess and repent of their sins. Satan has been a useful tool for God to discern the hearts of man up to this point, but now he is cast in jail awaiting his execution. It is at this time that the most obstinate people on earth will actually turn to the Lord and be saved in mass.
1. We speak the gospel throughout the entire earth and we battle the false, corrupted gospels that the spirit of antichrist speaks.
2. The gospel ministry is a spiritual warfare, that is where the real battle is. The only thing that stands strong over thousands of years is faith, hope and love, everything else is vanity, dust in the wind.
3. The world is suffering a famine for the word of God as a result of this battle between the Lord and Satan. Therefore we need to speak the word of life to feed and care for the lost sheep and those wounded by this age.
4. The world is infested with plagues. Alcoholism is a plague, drug addiction is a plague, broken families are a plague, gambling is a plague, etc. The only cure to these plagues is Jesus Christ and the gospel of grace.
5. These four seals reveal that Jesus is the true shepherd that can truly care for the sheep and the world. As a result Satan is exposed. Rather than confess and repent he martyrs those that stand for the Lord and are filled with the Holy Spirit. This exposes the fallacy of His ruling and reign. However, God is the one who judges the hearts of man. It is necessary that many are martyred standing for righteousness to discern those who are one with Satan and those who are simply useful idiots.
6. After all of this there are still those, like doubting Thomas who will not believe unless they see everything take place before their eyes. They will witness the rapture that they heard about for years, they will see the Antichrist, the mark of the Beast, the beast system, and all of the horrors described in the book of Revelation. Here is where God will complete the harvest. The numbers who turn to the Lord at this time will be innumerable.
7. Then we have God's judgement poured out on those who despite all this refuse to confess and repent of their sins. Satan has been a useful tool for God to discern the hearts of man up to this point, but now he is cast in jail awaiting his execution. It is at this time that the most obstinate people on earth will actually turn to the Lord and be saved in mass.
I read this this morning. If this is true, this provides further motive for why Israel has stated they weren't going for precision bombing and instead going for widespread destruction in Gaza. Israel would be stealing Palestinian natural resources, taking the Gaza Strip back, and many Christians will see this as justifiable because God promised the land to the secular Jews.
I am hoping this isn't the case. Perhaps after Israel blows up enough children in Gaza, they eventually eradicate Hamas off the earth and helps install a new, more peaceful, government. Then Palestinians use that $250 billion worth of gas to rebuild Gaza and peace will come. I'm typing it and it sounds like a pipe dream.
I am hoping this isn't the case. Perhaps after Israel blows up enough children in Gaza, they eventually eradicate Hamas off the earth and helps install a new, more peaceful, government. Then Palestinians use that $250 billion worth of gas to rebuild Gaza and peace will come. I'm typing it and it sounds like a pipe dream.
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So you said no one offered a solution without reading my solution?
The peace offering would be a new city. Everyone displaced from their home would be offered to live in the city, the home given to them paid for by the Jews. Back in 1948 this city could have been built in Gaza. The only requirement for the Palestinians to get the home would be to sign a peace treaty with Israel agreeing to their right to exist in Israel and rejecting all this hateful rhetoric about wiping them out. Since 1948 5 million Palestinians left Israel, only 2 million remain, but for most of them there is resentment because their homes were robbed from them. If you had 5 million living in a thriving first world city in Gaza working hand in hand with Israel it would expose the remaining Palestinians who want to be terrorist as murderous and hateful. There would be no ground to be accusing Israel today of genocide or ethnic cleansing. You would have contrast, those that were at peace with Israel being blessed and those dedicated to murder being cursed.
How much would this one city cost? Pennies on the dollar compared to the money Israel has spent fighting terrorism, both with weapons and in the publics perception.
Abraham was not only blessed so that he would be blessed, he was blessed so that he would be a blessing to the nations and that includes the Palestinians.
The peace offering would be a new city. Everyone displaced from their home would be offered to live in the city, the home given to them paid for by the Jews. Back in 1948 this city could have been built in Gaza. The only requirement for the Palestinians to get the home would be to sign a peace treaty with Israel agreeing to their right to exist in Israel and rejecting all this hateful rhetoric about wiping them out. Since 1948 5 million Palestinians left Israel, only 2 million remain, but for most of them there is resentment because their homes were robbed from them. If you had 5 million living in a thriving first world city in Gaza working hand in hand with Israel it would expose the remaining Palestinians who want to be terrorist as murderous and hateful. There would be no ground to be accusing Israel today of genocide or ethnic cleansing. You would have contrast, those that were at peace with Israel being blessed and those dedicated to murder being cursed.
How much would this one city cost? Pennies on the dollar compared to the money Israel has spent fighting terrorism, both with weapons and in the publics perception.
Abraham was not only blessed so that he would be blessed, he was blessed so that he would be a blessing to the nations and that includes the Palestinians.
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If your logic states that fewer people killed is always better no matter what, would you see it as morally sound for all 8 billion non-Jews around the world to kill the 16.1 million Jews on earth IF it meant saving more than 16.1 million lives would be preserved long term (future generations)?
Just curious, when we play with numbers to make a moral case, is consideration taken for the future generations and those future generations etc... that the original 10,000 people would have had? If so, that variable really complicates things as Gaza has an incredibly high birth rate in comparison to Israel.
Just curious, when we play with numbers to make a moral case, is consideration taken for the future generations and those future generations etc... that the original 10,000 people would have had? If so, that variable really complicates things as Gaza has an incredibly high birth rate in comparison to Israel.
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Some people deny or are unaware of what happened in 1948. The crazy thing is that there are people (Jewish and Palestinian) alive today that will tell you this happened... Unfortunately, even my home boy Ben Shapiro refuses to believe it. I sort of get why he would want to deny/refuse to believe it obviously.
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