Israel Declares War

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If they were sacrificing animals, yes. But I have never heard that was their practice. And they met daily to worship and break bread from house to house. Paul mentions collections and gathering on the first day of the week.
Paul, when he traveled to a new city would go to the synagogue initially, but I never heard it was for worship, but to share the gospel.
In Acts 20, wasn't Paul preaching on the first day of the week? Acts 20:7.

In Acts 20 and 21 he has a vow so a nazirite vow and so the requirements are in Numbers 6:13-20 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/numbers/6.htm
 

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I see Jesus and God as one and the same. Do you see James ,Paul's and the disciples actions at that time as incorrect?
I looked into this a little more...
It may well be that when in Jewish company, Peter, James, and Paul might have participated in sacrifices, for a couple of reasons. Just as communion is for a believer a visual representation of the gospel, animal sacrifice correctly understood would present an opportunity to preach Christ. This also was a time of transition and much of the NT wasn't written, so the OT would have been the scripture they used.
The particular group Paul was with seemed to be a group fulfilling a Nazarite vow and I believe they would have made a heave offering, which I don't think required a blood sacrifice.
 

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I looked into this a little more...
It may well be that when in Jewish company, Peter, James, and Paul might have participated in sacrifices, for a couple of reasons. Just as communion is for a believer a visual representation of the gospel, animal sacrifice correctly understood would present an opportunity to preach Christ. This also was a time of transition and much of the NT wasn't written, so the OT would have been the scripture they used.
The particular group Paul was with seemed to be a group fulfilling a Nazarite vow and I believe they would have made a heave offering, which I don't think required a blood sacrifice.
No.

If Paul had taken part in the sacrifice of an animal for his nazarite vow that would have been an abomination, that is why the Lord had him arrested first. As for James, he was a cult leader, and when he got saved he got the revelation, the book of James is the single best answer to anyone in a cult.
 

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No.

If Paul had taken part in the sacrifice of an animal for his nazarite vow that would have been an abomination, that is why the Lord had him arrested first. As for James, he was a cult leader, and when he got saved he got the revelation, the book of James is the single best answer to anyone in a cult.
I said it wasn't a blood sacrifice. As far as keeping the law during the intertestament period, the law was passing, but had not completely. In Acts 21 it says Paul was one who kept the law.
 

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I said it wasn't a blood sacrifice. As far as keeping the law during the intertestament period, the law was passing, but had not completely. In Acts 21 it says Paul was one who kept the law.
Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

This vow is concluded with the sacrifice of an animal. That would have been an abomination, but Paul was arrested before that happened.

The book of Galatians was written from prison after this event and is the first book he wrote and was probably written after the book of James. In those two books you can see they both had a very clear vision and understanding that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross did away with the animal sacrifices. This is why I think it was Paul and James who worked together to write Hebrews.
 

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Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

This vow is concluded with the sacrifice of an animal. That would have been an abomination, but Paul was arrested before that happened.

The book of Galatians was written from prison after this event and is the first book he wrote and was probably written after the book of James. In those two books you can see they both had a very clear vision and understanding that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross did away with the animal sacrifices. This is why I think it was Paul and James who worked together to write Hebrews.
I haven't studied the passage enough to know if animal sacrifice was ok or not. If it was an abomination, then any sacrifice taking place would have been an abomination, right? And any burnt offering strange fire?
As far as the authorship of Hebrews, Paul in collaboration with someone could be possible as much of the language is similar to the other epistles. Or it could have been someone who spent alot of time with him. The difference I see in Hebrews from Paul's letters is the scholarship of it. The tone seems more erudite, and not the simplicity that attends other letters.
 

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Which one is that? Does it have a name?
1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the
house of God, which is the
church of the living God,
the pillar and ground of the truth.

any more in scripture?
I’m sure there is.

Acts 8:1 KJV
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against
the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Acts 28:23 KJV
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified
the kingdom of God,
persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
 

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The difference I see in Hebrews from Paul's letters is the scholarship of it. The tone seems more erudite, and not the simplicity that attends other letters.
As if Paul was limited in how he presented Bible truth! Why do we assume that some third party came along to write Hebrews when Paul's stamp is all over it? Who had a special relationship with Timothy and ended this epistle as only Paul could? And why do you think that the erudite scholars who translated the King James Bible clearly identified Paul as the writer? Were they not being led by the Spirit?
 

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1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the
house of God, which is the
church of the living God,
the pillar and ground of the truth.

any more in scripture?
I’m sure there is.

Acts 8:1 KJV
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against
the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Acts 28:23 KJV
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified
the kingdom of God,
persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
So you aren't going to say.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Israel falls into two camps.
First (1) there are the biblical references
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I can set these verses aside and look at the here and now.
Second (2) In the here and now I found this------
Modern day Israelis ignore the above, believing they are above His rule.
The Israeli IDF sniper teams have murdered hundreds of Palestinian children

https://tinyurl.com/32yekhjk
Israelis destroy Palestinian homes and murder whoever is inside
https://tinyurl.com/47s4nm28
Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats cutting off needed food for its people
https://tinyurl.com/4a8zj84c
For Your Eyes Only
https://tinyurl.com/36v8w22f

It is what it is
Propaganda
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I Googled “Israelis killing children”
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12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes

http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk
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I could go on and on, but I will not.

Lies and Propaganda !
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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You are looking at this from a verry narrow point of view.
Before I give my answer, I do agree that the Hamas attack had no objective in mind, or at least I have not heard of one. It was wrong and sadly many will suffer as a result. In my view they are lashing out because they are not being heard and yet it is wrong to take anyone’s life, period.
In my view the leader of Israel wants to wipe them all out. If the world was not watching, BiBi would have already sent in his tanks to kill anyone they saw and destroy whatever they could. And yes, it would have been and still may become a genocide.
Back to my original statement. There were three (3) terrorist groups called the Hagana, Irgun & Stern gangs.
The true story not told in the western press
Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials around)https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem,
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
I left out a lot of other killings for lack of space
Setting the past aside we have the IDF using its sniper teams to shoot Palestinian children.
Seer next post—
Lies, Lies and Lies!
 

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As one living in the 1800s, Charles Spurgeon was an eyewitness to Dispensationalism’s ascent, and his reaction to it was priceless:


“We never know what we shall hear next, and perhaps it is a mercy that these absurdities are revealed one at a time, in order that we may be able to endure their stupidity without dying of amazement.”

Perhaps the greatest of these “absurdities” is Dispensationalism’s penchant to misunderstand already fulfilled prophecy as yet unfulfilled."
 

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“The ‘misinterpretation’ of ‘EndTimes’ is among the top ten reasons why Christianity lost the West, paralyzed the Church and made global Christianity NONlight.”

Vishal Mangalwadi
 

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I haven't studied the passage enough to know if animal sacrifice was ok or not. If it was an abomination, then any sacrifice taking place would have been an abomination, right? And any burnt offering strange fire?
As far as the authorship of Hebrews, Paul in collaboration with someone could be possible as much of the language is similar to the other epistles. Or it could have been someone who spent alot of time with him. The difference I see in Hebrews from Paul's letters is the scholarship of it. The tone seems more erudite, and not the simplicity that attends other letters.
I think Hebrews 13:23 seals the deal for me that Paul was one of the authors.
 

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who is saved.JPG

How is possible for Christians to defy these words.

Imagine if you will where cognitive dissonance takes over the church starting in 1880's
 

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As if Paul was limited in how he presented Bible truth! Why do we assume that some third party came along to write Hebrews when Paul's stamp is all over it? Who had a special relationship with Timothy and ended this epistle as only Paul could? And why do you think that the erudite scholars who translated the King James Bible clearly identified Paul as the writer? Were they not being led by the Spirit?
Paul never claims to be the author, but the mention of coming with Timothy does strongly indicate he was one of the authors. The book more than any other focuses on the transition from the OT to the NT, therefore I think that James also took part, and we should not assume that the early church did not have any other Pharisees or Scribes that had been saved. Also it is very possible that many of the points had been made in various church meetings so it was hard to know who to give credit for which points.