Sunday Worship?

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Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”

This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.

After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
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It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.

The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”

Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.

After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.

Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )

Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.

Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.

Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).

Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.

Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.

Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.

Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.

On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.

In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.

[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.

[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.

The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.
 

Artios1

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I am going to offer you a different time line …but along the same premise that you have stated.


The Sign

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There are many scripture (19) that give reference to Jesus being raised the third day …. but this account in Matthew ….. Jesus states that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That was the sign to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees to whom He was speaking.

Whenever the term day or night is used singularly in the Bible it can mean all or part of a day or evening (night). But the term night (evening) and day together always indicates a 24 hour period. In Gen 1:5, 8,13,19,&23 …. God sets the standard for a full day… of which Jesus was fully aware of as noted in John 11:9.

There are those who try to qualify Jesus’s statement of 3 days and 3 nights with their own twisting and reference to an idiom … The problem is --- they are trying to qualify man’s tradition to fit their belief …but it doesn’t work that way. God sets the standard for truth …not man! …..Man can be right and they can be wrong…. the only way to verify what man states…. is to check it with what God says. My personal belief…. the things I have learned … are irrelevant if they do not line up with the Word of God …and for me…. the Word is the final authority for Truth.

We can track the precise day that Jesus was crucified by counting forward or backward. Forward from John 12:1 or backward from the Passover (which is Nisan 14) or The feast of unleavened bread which was Nisan 15 ....at sunset of the 14th….. (as that is when the next day begins.)

Passover is the 14th but the Passover meal is eaten at the beginning of the 15th (evening). The feast of unleavened bread lasts for 7 days and the first day (Thursday 15th) and last day (Wednesday 21st) of the feast are high days{that is not 4/20 with the devils lettuce 😊} A high day is a special sabbath as dictated by God → Num 28:18 and Num 28:25 . A special sabbath is different from the weekly sabbath which falls on Saturday. A special sabbath would be like when Christmas (which is always celebrated on 12/25) fell on a Wednesday …it would a special sabbath …but does not negate the weekly sabbath on our Sunday. The special sabbath (high day) for the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (Thursday Nisan 15) is noted in John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) …


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Artios1

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Days



6 days before the Passover.



John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom He raised from the dead.



We know from the Word that Passover was on the 14th of Nisan (formally called Abid)



Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the LORD.

17. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.



Thursday Nisan 8 - six days before Passover.

John 12:1


Friday Nisan 9 - Jesus makes his first entry into Jerusalem (on an ass's colt.)

Mar 11:1-11 / Luk 19:29-44 / Jhn 12:12-19


Saturday Nisan 10 - weekly sabbath / second entry into Jerusalem (ass “and” a colt) /the Passover lamb is selected

Mat 21:1-17 /Mar 11:12-19 / Luk 19:45 & 46


Sunday Nisan 11 - first day of the week /Jesus taught in Temple confronted by Sadducees, Pharisees & Herodians.

Mat 21:18 - 26:5 / Mar 11:20 - 14:2 / Luk 20:1 - 22:2


Monday Nisan 12 – Dinner at Simon the Leper / Jesus sends Peter & John to secure a place for Passover

Mat 26:6-19 / Mar 14:3-16 / Luk 22:3-13


Tuesday Nisan 13 – Last supper (not Passover) / garden of Gethsemane / Jesus taken by solders possibly around 9 or 10 pm…. interrogated and tortured throughout the night and day of the 13th.

Mat 26:20 - 27:31a / Mar 14:17 - 15:20a / Luk 22:14 - 23:25 / Jhn 13:1-19a


Wednesday Nisan 14 – Interrogation and torture continued late into the evening of the 14 and crucified at 9am on the morning of the 14th (nearly 40 hours of interrogation and torture.)
Jesus gave His life up at 3 pm (our time). He was wrapped in a linen by Joseph of Arimathea and placed in the tomb provided by Joseph. Shortly afterwards (sometime before sunset) Nicodemus came with the myrrh and aloes and did the grave wrappings on Jesus.

Mat 27:31b-61 / Mar 15:20b-47 / Luk 23:26-55 / Jhn 19:16b-42


Thursday Nisan 15 - High day special sabbath. (Unleavened bread) No work to be done

Mat 27:62-66


Friday Nisan 16 women buy the spices to perform proper burial “unaware of Nicodemus’s prior actions”.

Mar 16:1 / Luk 23:56a


Saturday Nisan 17 weekly sabbath No work to be done… God raises Jesus sometime before sunset (72 hours)

Mat 28:1-4 / Luk 23:56b

Notation ↓ on Nisan 17:

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn “toward the first” of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The word dawn is confusing…. the Greek word is epiphōskō and is used biblically of dusk. (The same word is used in Luk 23:54) the women came to see = (theōreō) gaze upon, observe.


Sunday Nisan 18 - Mary sees Jesus/ First fruit wave offerings

Mat 28:5-15 / Mar 16:2-14 / Luk 24:1-45 / Jhn 20:1-24

Note: for Mark _ 16:9 → should start out …. Now having risen, early the first day of the week He appeared to Mary Magdalene …
 

Soyeong

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Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”

This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.

After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
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It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.

The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”

Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.

After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.

Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )

Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.

Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.

Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).

Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.

Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.

Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.

Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.

On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.

In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.

[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.

[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.

The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.
The Israelites worshiped God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy, so the problem is not with someone following their own tradition of worshipping God on Sunday to honor the resurrection, but with them hypocritically setting aside God's command to keep the 7th day holy in order to establish their own tradition.

The day of the week upon which Jesus happen to rise doesn't matter because someone could follow a tradition of worshiping God to honor the resurrection for whatever time period they want, such as once a decade, one a year, twice a year, once a month, twice a month, once a week, twice a week, every day, or multiple times a day, but there is nothing about following this tradition that means that they shouldn't also obey God's command to keep the 7th day holy, just as there is nothing about following this tradition that means that they shouldn't also obey God's command against committing murder or any of God's other commands.
 

turbosixx

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Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”

This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.

After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
View attachment 256691
It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.

The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”

Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.

After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.

Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )

Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.

Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.

Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).

Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.

Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.

Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.

Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.

On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.

In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.

[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.

[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.

The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.
I see the church coming together on Sunday.
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
 

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Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”

This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.

After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
View attachment 256691
It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.

The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”

Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.

After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.

Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )

Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.

Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.

Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).

Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.

Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.

Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.

Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.

On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.

In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.

[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.

[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.

The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.
I always thought Sunday worship is super strange and more Christianese, than accurate.

I mean why would the resurrection cause them to change the day of the sabbath? Jesus said to keep the sabbath. Granted he said Sabbath was made for Man, not man for the Sabbath but still... why change it when it's a Commandment! Literally given from God.

I was trying to talk to someone very misguided about the metaphors in the Bible, specifically about thinking there was a wife for Jesus bc of "wedding" and believed there was a "mother" God. Weird things, but anyway they held service on Saturday bc that's the actual Sabbath day and I was like "yup" and didn't really know what to say bc I think it's a sham that it was changed. It even makes me question if they pulled books from the Bible like the book of Enoch, even though they were told not to!
 

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I see the church coming together on Sunday.
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked
with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.


On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store
it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
Not only that, but according to Exodus, the Sabbath is a day of rest, as God rested
from creation... and points forward to the rest from works we find in Christ
.:)


Matthew 11:28-30
:)
 

turbosixx

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I always thought Sunday worship is super strange and more Christianese, than accurate.

I mean why would the resurrection cause them to change the day of the sabbath? Jesus said to keep the sabbath. Granted he said Sabbath was made for Man, not man for the Sabbath but still... why change it when it's a Commandment! Literally given from God.

I was trying to talk to someone very misguided about the metaphors in the Bible, specifically about thinking there was a wife for Jesus bc of "wedding" and believed there was a "mother" God. Weird things, but anyway they held service on Saturday bc that's the actual Sabbath day and I was like "yup" and didn't really know what to say bc I think it's a sham that it was changed. It even makes me question if they pulled books from the Bible like the book of Enoch, even though they were told not to!
The old law was for the Jewish nation and not for us. Today Jesus is our high priest and we are under a new law.
 

Soyeong

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I see the church coming together on Sunday.
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the first day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown and Jews have traditionally met at this time for Havdalah to mark the closing of the Sabbath and the beginning of the work week. Jews also traditionally don't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time for collecting offerings. So Paul was not speaking from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel. So this does not establish that they met on Sunday morning for worship, and even if they had, it does not establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even it was, this does not establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in order to establish their own tradition, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that we should follow their example of sin.


The old law was for the Jewish nation and not for us. Today Jesus is our high priest and we are under a new law.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walks (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and Gentiles can look at what he taught and decided whether or not to follow him, but Gentiles can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught. Following Jesus is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too.
 

turbosixx

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It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the first day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown and Jews have traditionally met at this time for Havdalah to mark the closing of the Sabbath and the beginning of the work week. Jews also traditionally don't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time for collecting offerings. So Paul was not speaking from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel. So this does not establish that they met on Sunday morning for worship, and even if they had, it does not establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even it was, this does not establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in order to establish their own tradition, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that we should follow their example of sin.



In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walks (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and Gentiles can look at what he taught and decided whether or not to follow him, but Gentiles can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught. Following Jesus is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too.
If Sunday began at sundown and that is the first day of the week and Paul says they gathered together on the first day of the week to break bread, how did they not gather on Sunday. It says they gathered on the first day of the week to break bread. I believe what it says.

Yes, Jesus instructed follow the law of Moses because that was they law they were under until His sacrifice. The apostles never taught observance of the law of Moses.
 

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The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.

The bible says it happened on Sunday:

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Saturday/Sabbath was passed...that makes it Sunday.


Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Again, it was early the first day, Sunday.

Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.


It is Sunday and he has risen.

Mar 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
Mar 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


"Jesus was risen early the first day of the week"


Again, Jesus rose early on that Sunday, left the tomb and eventually contacts Mary who had gone to anoint his body but of course he rose a little before she arrived.
 

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The Biblical Sabbath has always been from friday sunset to saturday sunset..

it has already been mentioned but the standard explaination that the day after the death of Jesus was the saturday sabbath is wrong... It was the first day of Unleavened bread which was a high Sabbath a Sabbath linked to a yearly date rather then a specific day of the week.. The prophecy of Jonah that Jesus gave was fulfilled by Jesus.. Jesus did spend 3 nights and 3 days in the tomb.. Starting on wednesday sunset and finishing as the sun set on Saturday..

(Leviticus 23:5-7) "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover. {6} And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. {7} In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

So the day after Passover was ALWAYS a High Sabbath no matter what day of the week it fell upon.. On the week of the execution of Jesus it started on wednesday sunset and ended on thursday Sunset..
 

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Christians can go to church and gather together any day of the week, including Sunday. But the 7th day, Saturday, always has and always will be God's Sabbath. Again, go to church any day of the week, but don't mistake any day other than Saturday as the Sabbath.
 

ewq1938

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Christians can go to church and gather together any day of the week, including Sunday. But the 7th day, Saturday, always has and always will be God's Sabbath. Again, go to church any day of the week, but don't mistake any day other than Saturday as the Sabbath.

The Sabbath can now be any day, all days or not even a day at all.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.
 

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It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
That is just nonsense. Since the last day of the week is Saturday, the next day is the first day of the next week (Sunday). It has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. It is right there in the Bible.
 

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The Sabbath can now be any day, all days or not even a day at all.
The Bible notably does not say that.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.
The Colossians were keeping God's holy days in obedience to God's commands in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow, they were being judged by pagans for doing that, and Paul was encouraging not to let any man judge them so that they do not let anyone prevent them from obeying God. God's holy days are foreshadows of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by continuing to observe them rather than a way that bears false witness against what is to come.
 

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Christians can go to church and gather together any day of the week, including Sunday. But the 7th day, Saturday, always has and always will be God's Sabbath. Again, go to church any day of the week, but don't mistake any day other than Saturday as the Sabbath.
The Sabbath days were simply "shadows". The reality is Christ, and He rose on the first day of the week. Because of that it is the Christian day of worship, rest, and good works.
 

Soyeong

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The Sabbath days were simply "shadows". The reality is Christ, and He rose on the first day of the week. Because of that it is the Christian day of worship, rest, and good works.
God's holy days are foreshadows of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by continuing to observe them rather than a way that bears false witness against what is to come. Rebelling against God's command to keep the Sabbath holy because Jesus rose on the first day of the week makes as little sense as rebelling against God's command against committing idolatry because Jesus rose on the first day of the week, or any of God's other commands. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20), while trying to honor the resurrection by rebelling against God's command to keep the Sabbath holy is like a husband trying to honor his wife by committing adultery.