Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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You need to prove the Bible to people who demand proof. Otherwise, this is why people who start to believe in God end up become Muslim.
it's pretty easy to offer proof:

Matthew 14:6. Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone."
 

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My apologies if it seemed I was criticizing you in any way... We are in agreement far more often than otherwise .(y)
No apologies ever necessary. I appreciate the opportunity to explain.
 

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it's pretty easy to offer proof:

Matthew 14:6. Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone."
They would just offer the counter argumentative Quran version of whatever you're telling them.
 

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You need to prove the Bible to people who demand proof. Otherwise, this is why people who start to believe in God end up become Muslim.
People who demand proof like that rarely if ever accept the proofs given. They
would rather mock Christians and try to destroy their faith than join their ranks.


And if these "proofs" you are offering are for non-believers, why bring them here???
 
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They would just offer the counter argumentative Quran version of whatever you're telling them.
they can't. they have Jesus being a Prophet. but in their OWN Language, Jesus says, I AM THE LIVING GOD.

they will NEVER be able to dispute this because i offer this proof to Muslims all the time and they shut up when they understand.
 

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People who demand proof like that rarely if ever accept the proofs given. They
would rather mock Christians and try to destroy their faith than join their ranks.


And if these "proofs" you are offering are for non-believers, why bring them here???
That's not true, many people are uninformed or misinformed about the Bible and have various misconceptions that drive them away. Many others want historical proof and are inspired by it (Noah's ark being found in Turkey, evidence of great flood being recently found, 3rd party accounts of Joshua's long day around the globe, etc). Nobody is born a believer.
 

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they can't. they have Jesus being a Prophet. but in their OWN Language, Jesus says, I AM THE LIVING GOD.

they will NEVER be able to dispute this because i offer this proof to Muslims all the time and they shut up when they understand.
Where in the Quran does Jesus say I am the living God?
 
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Where in the Quran does Jesus say I am the living God?
i said, they have Jesus as a prophet.
but when you show them a correct Aramaic New Testament, with Jesus, in their own Language, says, I AM THE LIVING GOD.
they understand.
 

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That's not true, many people are uninformed or misinformed about the Bible and have various misconceptions that drive them away. Many others want historical proof and are inspired by it (Noah's ark being found in Turkey, evidence of great flood being recently found, 3rd party accounts of Joshua's long day around the globe, etc). Nobody is born a believer.
Yes, it is true, and I am not sure why you would deny it if you have any experience at all of speaking with non-believers.

You would also know that non-believers love to brag about how they know the Bible better than Christians.

Even the most logical among them would say we have no reason to conclude there is a God because we have not examined all
the evidence, while grossly overlooking the fact that neither have they examined all the evidence to conclude there is a God.
 

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Well... to be fair, a lot of Christians don't know their Bibles that well.
Nor do non-believers understand it, so their grounds for bragging are non-existent. You say many people are uninformed or misinformed about the Bible and have various misconceptions that drive them away and yet it is their rebellion against God that drives them, not us. We just become collateral damage if we let them blame us for their rejection, which you are actually supporting as if it is our fault.
 

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Nor do non-believers understand it, so their grounds for bragging are non-existent. You say many people are uninformed or misinformed about the Bible and have various misconceptions that drive them away and yet it is their rebellion against God that drives them, not us. We just become collateral damage if we let them blame us for their rejection, which you are actually supporting.
So when ministering to people, do you just not answer any questions relating to Bible contradictions and inability of Christians to unite under one church? What do you tell them when they ask which church is true?
 

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So when ministering to people, do you just not answer any questions relating to Bible contradictions and inability of Christians to unite under one church? What do you tell them when they ask which church is true?
Jesus Christ is the Truth, and the way to the Father. Many many many churches embrace this. Since non-believers reject that outright, it is not likely they will be looking for any church to attend, so their question does not come from a place of sincerely seeking. If and when they sincerely seek, God will reveal Himself to them as per His promises in Scripture. But guess what? Some will ask, why would they look for that which they do not believe even exists in the first place? Don't accept what a non-believer says just because they said it. They are the devil's pawns.
 

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Jesus Christ is the Truth, and the way to the Father. Many many many churches embrace this. Since non-believers reject that outright, it is not likely they will be looking for any church to attend, so their question does not come from a place of sincerely seeking. If and when they sincerely seek, God will reveal Himself to them as per His promises in Scripture. But guess what? Some will ask, why would they look for that which they do not believe even exists in the first place? Don't accept what a non-believer says just because they said it. They are the devil's pawns.
My questions to them would be "if you had proof there was an all powerful, loving God, and he was the God of the Bible, would you accept Jesus and repent?" I agree, this is the place where many reprobates still reject God, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about people who DO accept and just want to see proof that he is the God of the Bible and not Quran or some other book. When you refuse to defend the very Bible you are preaching, that just makes your preaching weak and not nearly as effective as it could have been. The saved will be saved eventually, but if we don't help them out of sin, they will continue to contaminate the world and cause havoc with their sin.
 

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That's not true, many people are uninformed or misinformed about the Bible and have various misconceptions that drive them away. Many others want historical proof and are inspired by it (Noah's ark being found in Turkey, evidence of great flood being recently found, 3rd party accounts of Joshua's long day around the globe, etc). Nobody is born a believer.
Belief doesn't lead to faith. Faith leads to belief. Hebrews 4:2...the word being preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith...
 

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Belief doesn't lead to faith. Faith leads to belief. Hebrews 4:2...the word being preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith...
Hebrews 4:2 is talking about the lost. I'm talking about the saved who haven't been converted yet. Nobody is born a believer.
 

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My questions to them would be "if you had proof there was an all powerful, loving God, and he was the God of the Bible, would you accept Jesus and repent?" I agree, this is the place where many reprobates still reject God, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about people who DO accept and just want to see proof that he is the God of the Bible and not Quran or some other book. When you refuse to defend the very Bible you are preaching, that just makes your preaching weak and not nearly as effective as it could have been. The saved will be saved eventually, but if we don't help them out of sin, they will continue to contaminate the world and cause havoc with their sin.
The problem you are overlooking is that WE cannot prove to anyone that God exists. God does that.

What WE do is testify to the lost, and let the seeds fall where they may.

Plus, everyone knows there is a God. They simply suppress the Truth.

And they are without excuse.