Israel Declares War

[ZNP]

I'm not in favor of fighting in Ukraine. I have never suggested otherwise. And comparing WWII which we didn't precipitate to current events which we have had a part in engineering is a stretch.
Your anger is misdirected if it finds me as a target. I'm not guilty of any of the things you have listed.
None of this changes the fact that while horrific, the use of the atomic bomb saved countless more lives than it took.

I was very clear who the target was, if that does not describe you then there is no reason to think it was referring to you. However, we all know many in Washington DC and on the TV that it does describe. This is not a hypothetical group of people, it is a corrupt group of elite running this country.

As for Hiroshima the issue is not that we weren't right in responding to a surprise attack. The issue is that it changed the nature of war. Prior to that event civilian targets were not acceptable. Hiroshima set a precedent that you could nuke a city of people if you felt so aggrieved. That is my point. The pandemic is certainly an equal justification for others to feel aggrieved, and the US will have no leg to stand on to complain if they nuke our cities.

 

[ZNP]

God is the judge, how He decides to execute that judgement is up to Him. If He wants to use Babylon, or Assyria, or Israel, or a flood, or fire, it is up to Him.

45

45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

That is right, #45 is Cyrus, Isaiah 45.

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

The crooked places like crooked Hillary. Break in pieces Gates. Cut in sunder a weaponized DOJ with their bars of Iron.

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

Oh yeah, keep mocking Q, but it is obvious the treasures of darkness have been given to 45. True, doesn't know the Lord, but after this is over he will.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Yes, it is true that he doesn't know the Lord, but God answers prayers and can do it any way He pleases.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

45 didn't know the Lord and yet it was the Lord who girded him, prepared him, trained him.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

 

[CS1]

And you believe fires, as well as plane crashes, have the ability to cause buildings to collapse within their own footprints?

Listen I have been to fire fighting schools, basic and advanced Buildings, and SHIPBOARD. Metal can and does catch fire. I have yet to see very many " Engineers in a main space fire. Heat weakens metal that what it takes to bend steal. "H" frame bulding with heat weight and stress fall down because gravity pulls it down.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You know the phrase "conspiracy theorist" was invented by the CIA to denigrate those who questioned the sham commission into the JFK assassination? And that the CIA has finally admitted to being complicit in the JFK assassination? So by calling my statements "conspiracy theories", you are tacitly admitting that I am right,

No, it doesn't mean you're right, it means you twist meanings to make you think you're right. We have a forum for that, this isn't it.

I'm not actually sure on your position, but from your posts, you seem to be saying it's okay to murder civilians because of their political beliefs

No it is not my position and I don't know how you could misconstrue my posts that badly.

, or because some other people in their country are war criminals or terrorists.

Let's take the Holocaust for example. Did civilian Germans take part in the Holocaust? How were they treated and do you think that was wrong?

Lots of Americans were cheering for the illegal war in Iraq brought about by the war criminal George Bush and accusations about non-existent weapons of mass destruction. While such behaviour (cheering at the destruction of others) is despicable, it's no excuse for war crimes or terrorism, and I fully support anyone using such behaviour as excuses for war crimes to be held accountable to the full extent of international law (death penalty applies). The bible gives clear rules about when the death penalty applies, and simply being a despicable man or woman (as many of us were or are) is not one of them.

40 decapitated babies. What do you think God would tell King David to do in that situation? We're not talking about cheering or support. We are talking about complicit civilians.

Lol. You aren't aware of all the homosexuals Obama had murdered so the population wouldn't become aware he was a sodomite? You surely have heard about his late chef who died in highly questionable circumstances? I won't even get into how Biden spent American lives to stay in power (do you not even remember covid!?) - as I'm sure you'll learn yourself over the next year or two.

No idea about Obama but I think we pretty much figured out where he really stood when he lit up the WH in support of gay marriage.

 

[Cameron143]

No, it doesn't mean you're right, it means you twist meanings to make you think you're right. We have a forum for that, this isn't it.




No it is not my position and I don't know how you could misconstrue my posts that badly.





Let's take the Holocaust for example. Did civilian Germans take part in the Holocaust? How were they treated and do you think that was wrong?




40 decapitated babies. What do you think God would tell King David to do in that situation? We're not talking about cheering or support. We are talking about complicit civilians.




No idea about Obama but I think we pretty much figured out where he really stood when he lit up the WH in support of gay marriage.

I think David would be collecting alot of foreskins.

 

[Handyman62]

Listen I have been to fire fighting schools, basic and advanced Buildings, and SHIPBOARD. Metal can and does catch fire. I have yet to see very many " Engineers in a main space fire. Heat weakens metal that what it takes to bend steal. "H" frame bulding with heat weight and stress fall down because gravity pulls it down.


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I will add some more to what you have said. Tower 1 and tower 2 were not constructed like most buildings. The smaller building that collapsed I don't know how it was constructed. Tower 1 & 2 were constructed as rectangular tubes with the outer walls supporting the weight of the buildings and the floors were hung onto the outer walls and kept the outer walls from bowing in or out under their own weight.

Because of that type of construction once a floor let loose and crashed down upon the floor below a chain reaction was started and as each floor fell into the next one the outer walls were being continuously being pulled inwards which is why they collapsed into such a small footprint.

Also the heat that was generated within the buildings could easily reach high enough temperatures to soften steel enough so that it would easily bend/deform. Especially when you factor in the jet fuel and other materials being burned along with the chimney effect from the fires which would cause large amounts of air/oxygen to be drawn in from one side as the heat escapes out the other and thereby fanning the flames.

And don't get me started on how impossible it would be to wire a building with explosives and expect to be able to reliably set them off after large aircraft have crashed into them and set them ablaze. Even under the best of conditions using explosives to demolish a buildings is a hit & miss proposition, mainly due to the shear amount of wiring involved in hooking up all those charges.

 

[CS1]

I will add some more to what you have said. Tower 1 and tower 2 were not constructed like most buildings. The smaller building that collapsed I don't know how it was constructed. Tower 1 & 2 were constructed as rectangular tubes with the outer walls supporting the weight of the buildings and the floors were hung onto the outer walls and kept the outer walls from bowing in or out under their own weight.

Because of that type of construction once a floor let loose and crashed down upon the floor below a chain reaction was started and as each floor fell into the next one the outer walls were being continuously being pulled inwards which is why they collapsed into such a small footprint.

Also the heat that was generated within the buildings could easily reach high enough temperatures to soften steel enough so that it would easily bend/deform. Especially when you factor in the jet fuel and other materials being burned along with the chimney effect from the fires which would cause large amounts of air/oxygen to be drawn in from one side as the heat escapes out the other and thereby fanning the flames.

And don't get me started on how impossible it would be to wire a building with explosives and expect to be able to reliably set them off after large aircraft have crashed into them and set them ablaze. Even under the best of conditions using explosives to demolish a buildings is a hit & miss proposition, mainly due to the shear amount of wiring involved in hooking up all those charges.

Thank you for the POINT. The designer said exactly that and it fell as he designed it to do.

it would take much to wire the two towers

The 34-story tower was 370' tall. CDI loaded 1,900 lbs of explosives in 2,300 locations over 14 floors of the structure and installed over 700 delays using a non-electric initiation system to carefully control the fall of the structure while maximizing debris fragmentation to facilitate removal of the tidy 70' tall pile of post-implosion debris.

 

[ZNP]

I will add some more to what you have said. Tower 1 and tower 2 were not constructed like most buildings. The smaller building that collapsed I don't know how it was constructed. Tower 1 & 2 were constructed as rectangular tubes with the outer walls supporting the weight of the buildings and the floors were hung onto the outer walls and kept the outer walls from bowing in or out under their own weight.

Because of that type of construction once a floor let loose and crashed down upon the floor below a chain reaction was started and as each floor fell into the next one the outer walls were being continuously being pulled inwards which is why they collapsed into such a small footprint.

Also the heat that was generated within the buildings could easily reach high enough temperatures to soften steel enough so that it would easily bend/deform. Especially when you factor in the jet fuel and other materials being burned along with the chimney effect from the fires which would cause large amounts of air/oxygen to be drawn in from one side as the heat escapes out the other and thereby fanning the flames.

And don't get me started on how impossible it would be to wire a building with explosives and expect to be able to reliably set them off after large aircraft have crashed into them and set them ablaze. Even under the best of conditions using explosives to demolish a buildings is a hit & miss proposition, mainly due to the shear amount of wiring involved in hooking up all those charges.

This is all hypothetical. We can see the smoke was black, indicating the fire was oxygen starved and therefore not as hot. Also the idea that every support would give way at the same time is patently absurd.

 

[shittim]

Watched the controlled demo charges go off in the original broadcast.

 

[Handyman62]

Watched the controlled demo charges go off in the original broadcast.

It's likley the video only appeared to look like it was brought delibertly or the video was purposely doctored to appear that way.

 

[Cameron143]

Watched the controlled demo charges go off in the original broadcast.

Is a clip of this still available?

 

[mailmandan]

Hamas Leader and Founding Member Khaled Mashal Calls for Global Muslim Uprising, Asking for Muslim's Blood and Souls to be Sacrificed for Palestine This Upcoming 'Friday of Al-Aqsa Flood' (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Things just keep heating up!

 

[ZNP]

Hamas Leader and Founding Member Khaled Mashal Calls for Global Muslim Uprising, Asking for Muslim's Blood and Souls to be Sacrificed for Palestine This Upcoming 'Friday of Al-Aqsa Flood' (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Things just keep heating up!

yes, he should read Psalm 83 to the world and tell the Muslims it is time for us to be pawns fulfilling God's word.

 

[mailmandan]

Bernie Sanders criticizes Israel’s offensive in Gaza, calls it ‘serious violation of international law’ | Fox News

Did the brutal, cowardly attack by Hamas violate any international laws? I am so sick of these liberal hypocrites!

 

[Billyd]

Here is an excellent summary of the WTC-7 collapse. The NIST does an excellent job debunking all of the conspiracy theories presented on this thread.

https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation

 

[ZNP]

Here is an excellent summary of the WTC-7 collapse. The NIST does an excellent job debunking all of the conspiracy theories presented on this thread.

https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation

Yep, buckling is what caused a complete collapse into the footprint. Got it. LOL

 

[shittim]

don't know, i will look

It's likley the video only appeared to look like it was brought delibertly or the video was purposely doctored to appear that way.

"Original" is the operative word.

 

[mailmandan]

BREAKING: Israelis Report Armored Vehicles Approaching Border from Jordan - Convoys of Muslim Women and Children Evacuate from West Bank | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Convoys of Muslim women and children were spotted traveling to Jordan Wednesday from Samaria, raising concerns from the area’s residents about an impending attack.

Israelis remain on high alert after Saturday’s attack in which Muslim forces invaded the country from Gaza, massacring over a thousand Jews and taking dozens back to the Gaza Strip as hostages.

Though Israel has yet to follow through on its promises to exact a “merciless” retaliation, Hamas has called for more massacres this Friday. Khalid Mashal, one of Hamas’ founding members and leaders, urged Muslims around the world in a speech Wednesday “to show anger” and carry out a “global jihad.”

 

[shittim]

Haven't found the original yet, but there is very good material out there is abundance, not the verb-o-rhea of wind tunnel effects and such.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4550017/user-clip-september-11

 

[Handyman62]

don't know, i will look

"Original" is the operative word.

Another operative word is "appeared"