Either Abraham saw God or he did not. God has not always been the Father of Jesus. Not until Jesus was born or conceived. However, God is the Father of all living. Jesus pre-existed but not as Jesus. We did not pre-exist.
I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.
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so? did your understanding come instantly? Give Jacob a break, we are supposed to discuss and encourage lovingly between believers, so far Jacob was attacked by many he said many times he was not certain...
Peace be with us all.
The Trinity is a Christian doctrine that is both spiritually and biblically sound. That is a solid Christian doctrine to spiritually build upon. I would say that you are on shaky spiritual ground.
Do you have a text for it?
All I know is Jesus never said, "I am God". But He did say, "I am the Son of God." We are told that we are to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am okay with that. I don't think that I need to believe more than that.
There are three seperate unique entities, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit comprising one God.
God is Spirit. God the Father is either Spirit or something else. Jesus is not Spirit. Jesus is not the Father.
Remember John 17:5.
John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
notice this specific portion: for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
that baby, inside Mary, is from God Himself, that baby, is God!
his biologics are of me, just like Jesus biologics was from GOD!
you are not a name, you are your biologics!
My point was not the name, but that you are a different person from your son if you have one.
Elders are leaders of the local congregations. Deacons, who do the mundane stuff, are under elders. The minister or preacher is also under the leadership of the elders. That's the extent of "hierarchy".