I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.

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Locoponydirtman

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Imagine one who rejects that which has been handed down to us through the ages as God built his church and used men, preachers, to spread the gospel through out the world for more than 2000 years; but calls themself one of us.
 
Magenta

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JacobMartinMertens said:
God is the Creator and Father of us all. I am not trying to rock the boat. I am an honest person and I am a believer.
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And you deny that Jesus is God. That is not allowed. Got it? Comprende? Capiche?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Magenta said:
And you deny that Jesus is God. That is not allowed. Got it? Comprende? Capiche?
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No. I deny that Jesus is the Father. Jesus' Father is God. Jesus is not His own Father. Some people believe that Jesus is His Father, God. I do not. I believe that Jesus is Deity though.
 
Magenta

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Mem

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JacobMartinMertens said:
God is the Creator and Father of us all. I am not trying to rock the boat. I am an honest person and I am a believer.
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You might just as well go into a Muslim or Buddhist forum and say you believe in their god but you don't believe he is god. Does that make sense?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Magenta said:
You are not the honest person you believe yourself to be.
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I have not misused English at all. I have rightly divided the word. Remember, the part of my post that you did not address. Me saying about how in Revelation it refers to the Alpha and the Omega. I am being honest. I simply don't know what to make of it.
 
Mem

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You believe that the Father is God, but the Son is not. right?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Mem said:
You might just as well go into a Muslim or Buddhist forum and say you believe in their god but you don't believe he is god. Does that make sense?
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No. It doesn't. I am a Christian. Many people who are Christians around the world get persecuted for saying that Jesus is not God. But I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Deity, and that the Alpha and Omega in Revelation either refers to God or Jesus. It says, "I, Jesus...".
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Mem said:
You believe that the Father is God, but the Son is not. right?
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Yes and No. When you say it like that my response might be No. God is the Creator but Jesus is the Son of God. Some people believe that Jesus is the Creator. But, I don't.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
 
Mem

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JacobMartinMertens said:
No. It doesn't. I am a Christian. Many people who are Christians around the world get persecuted for saying that Jesus is not God. But I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Deity, and that the Alpha and Omega in Revelation either refers to God or Jesus. It says, "I, Jesus...".
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Yes and No. When you say it like that my response might be No. God is the Creator but Jesus is the Son of God. Some people believe that Jesus is the Creator. But, I don't.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
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How many do you think may possess the attribute of deity?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Mem said:
How many do you think may possess the attribute of deity?
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I believe that you are using human terms to say that Jesus is the Son of God and has the Spirit of God from before the world was or before the world existed, if He existed then. Only Jesus has the Deity of the Father. Many people have the Spirit of God dwelling in them, but they have sinned unlike Jesus. Why did the Spirit descend like or as a dove?
 
Mem

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JacobMartinMertens said:
I believe that you are using human terms to say that Jesus is the Son of God and has the Spirit of God from before the world was or before the world existed, if He existed then. Only Jesus has the Deity of the Father. Many people have the Spirit of God dwelling in them, but they have sinned unlike Jesus. Why did the Spirit descend like or as a dove?
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because He is the Spirit of God
 
Mem

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JacobMartinMertens said:
Who is? Pardon me for asking, but I don't know who you mean by using the word He here. God is Spirit. Jesus is a man. God is not a man. It says that in the Old Testament.
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The Spirit of God does not descend like as a dove on no other nowhere else in Scripture. Why not?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Mem said:
The Spirit of God does not descend like as a dove on no other nowhere else in Scripture. Why not?
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I don't understand your grammar, but tell me if this answers your question. It is because God wanted people to know that Jesus is His Son in whom He is well pleased.
 
Mem

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He said that out loud. Wouldn't that have been enough to let them know? Why wouldn't it have been just as well if a tongue of fire descended upon Jesus?
 
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