Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

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JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

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From another thread I am starting a thread at a suggestion to do so.

I do want to be saved by God and Jesus, but I am not sure that it is by the new covenant.

Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

I believe that I am saved, and if I am, perhaps not by the new covenant, since it is for Israel and I am a Gentile.
 
Deuteronomy

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Hello @JacobMartinMertens, I hope that you will find these short articles to be both informative and useful (and that they will help you at least begin to find the answers that you are looking for). If the article happens to include a video, the article text and the video text are always identical, just FYI (so you can watch, listen and/or read). Enjoy :)
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~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - I believe that the "GotQuestions.org" site is a great place to get a quick answer (about the Bible, theology, doctrine, the church, etc.), or as a starting point for a deeper study.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
From another thread I am starting a thread at a suggestion to do so.

I do want to be saved by God and Jesus, but I am not sure that it is by the new covenant.

Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

I believe that I am saved, and if I am, perhaps not by the new covenant, since it is for Israel and I am a Gentile.
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The book of Acts makes it very clear that the new covenant is for all people. This includes gentiles.
 
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Before he was circumcised, he believed God when he saw the pillar of smoke and the pillar of fire pass between the parts. That is the moment his faith is counted as righteousness. And similarly, we have Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is represented of all the components of that event.

Jeremiah 34:19
And those who have transgressed My covenant and have not fulfilled the terms of the covenant they made before Me, I will treat like the calf they cut in two in order to pass between its pieces.

Those who have transgressed, or go against, outside of, or without, thus not fulfilling the terms of the agreement... will have to assume the role of the calf cut in two, since they do not recognize the legitimacy of Jesus' position as savior.

This is the context of that reference that leads up to it:

Jeremiah 34

10 So all the officials and all the people who entered into this covenant agreed that they would free their menservants and maidservants and no longer hold them in bondage. They obeyed and released them, 11but later they changed their minds and took back the menservants and maidservants they had freed, and they forced them to become slaves again.


12Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 13“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: I made a covenant with your forefathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, saying: 14Every seventh year, each of you must free his Hebrew brother who has sold himself to you. He may serve you six years, but then you must let him go free. But your fathers did not listen or incline their ear.

15Recently you repented and did what pleased Me; each of you proclaimed freedom for his neighbor. You made a covenant before Me in the house that bears My Name. 16But now you have changed your minds and profaned My name. Each of you has taken back the menservants and maidservants whom you had set at liberty to go wherever they wanted, and you have again forced them to be your slaves.

17Therefore this is what the LORD says: You have not obeyed Me; you have not proclaimed freedom, each man for his brother and for his neighbor. So now I proclaim freedom for you, declares the LORD—freedom to fall by sword, by plague, and by famine! I will make you a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant
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Your question is confusing. If you are saved, you are saved under the new covenant… period. You cannot be saved under any other covenant nor by any other means than the blood of Jesus Christ.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Deuteronomy said:
Hello @JacobMartinMertens, I hope that you will find these short articles to be both informative and useful (and that they will help you at least begin to find the answers that you are looking for). If the article happens to include a video, the article text and the video text are always identical, just FYI (so you can watch, listen and/or read). Enjoy :)
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~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - I believe that the "GotQuestions.org" site is a great place to get a quick answer (about the Bible, theology, doctrine, the church, etc.), or as a starting point for a deeper study.
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Hi. It is nice to meet you David.

I believe that we have been sanctified.

1 Corinthians 1:2 NASB20 - To the church of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their [Lord] and ours:

There is no third person of the Trinity because there is no Trinity.

The new covenant is for Israel. The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians about the new covenant.

I do not believe in Communion.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Mem said:
Before he was circumcised, he believed God when he saw the pillar of smoke and the pillar of fire pass between the parts. That is the moment his faith is counted as righteousness. And similarly, we have Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is represented of all the components of that event.

Jeremiah 34:19
And those who have transgressed My covenant and have not fulfilled the terms of the covenant they made before Me, I will treat like the calf they cut in two in order to pass between its pieces.

Those who have transgressed, or go against, outside of, or without, thus not fulfilling the terms of the agreement... will have to assume the role of the calf cut in two, since they do not recognize the legitimacy of Jesus' position as savior.

This is the context of that reference that leads up to it:

Jeremiah 34

10 So all the officials and all the people who entered into this covenant agreed that they would free their menservants and maidservants and no longer hold them in bondage. They obeyed and released them, 11but later they changed their minds and took back the menservants and maidservants they had freed, and they forced them to become slaves again.


12Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 13“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: I made a covenant with your forefathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, saying: 14Every seventh year, each of you must free his Hebrew brother who has sold himself to you. He may serve you six years, but then you must let him go free. But your fathers did not listen or incline their ear.

15Recently you repented and did what pleased Me; each of you proclaimed freedom for his neighbor. You made a covenant before Me in the house that bears My Name. 16But now you have changed your minds and profaned My name. Each of you has taken back the menservants and maidservants whom you had set at liberty to go wherever they wanted, and you have again forced them to be your slaves.

17Therefore this is what the LORD says: You have not obeyed Me; you have not proclaimed freedom, each man for his brother and for his neighbor. So now I proclaim freedom for you, declares the LORD—freedom to fall by sword, by plague, and by famine! I will make you a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.
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Interesting. I am unfamiliar with this.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Dino246 said:
Your question is confusing. If you are saved, you are saved under the new covenant… period. You cannot be saved under any other covenant nor by any other means than the blood of Jesus Christ.
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I am saved by the blood of Jesus. But the new covenant is for Israel. That is what it says in Jeremiah 31:33 (Yirmiyahu 31:32).
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Where in the book of Acts do you find mention of the new covenant? You say that it is for all people, but in Jeremiah 31:33 (Yirmiyahu 31:32) we find that it is for Israel.
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Rise, kill and eat.
 
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"This is the new covenant in my blood", Jesus.

If one is saved by the blood of Jesus, that is the new covenant.
 
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