There will be no Rapture!!!

[presidente]

If one looks at the use of sealing in the bible, it is for saved Christians so this sealing is for soemone who is saved to protect them somehow. A seal on a document protects it from being opened and tampered with by the wrong person. I'd say that would equal the 144k from being deceived during the trib.

Then it goes on to talk about a very great number of people from every tongue tribe and nation, after a large, but limited number of Israelites, 144,000.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

I agree, God is very patient, I really feel bad for the Lord, all He wants is for all His children to repent and come to Him, sadly this won’t happen…

Ok… Look at Revelation 13

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 42 months, that’s 3’1/2’ years. That means the tribulation has started.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The tribulation has started, the saints haven’t been raptured, not only that, the beast overcomes them… Does that mean the beast kills them? You decide, but they weren’t raptured before the tribulation.

And as a former rapture believer, I use to think the church was taken in Revelation 4, because the church is not mentioned anymore….. Or is it?

Rev 22:16 (Jesus' last recorded words*)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (KJV)

Those that don't take the mark of the beast in the tribulation are saints those that do are doomed. The reason you are seeing saints mentioned is those that got saved in the tribulation. https://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation-saints.html

 

[ewq1938]

Those that don't take the mark of the beast in the tribulation are saints those that do are doomed. The reason you are seeing saints mentioned is those that got saved in the tribulation.

What scripture shows people getting saved in the tribulation? People like the two witnesses and 144k are clearly already servants of God (saved Christians) before the trib begins. The 5th seals also speaks of brethren who would die as the dead martyrs had which furthers the idea that people are Christians and saints BEFORE entering the trib. All of this is evidence against a Pre-trib rapture as the church and saints are very much entering and part of the trib. Christ said as much in the OD. Never did anyone including Jesus ever say the church would be removed and avoid the trib but rather the church is meant to be the targets of death in the trib.

 

[Mem]

If we went by the rule of first mention, was the first mention of rapture used in the context of Philip and the eunuch?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What scripture shows people getting saved in the tribulation?

13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”
14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


the CHURCH, they are already clothed in white Robes [because they were Saved before Tribulation].

but Verses 13 and 14 [is not] about the Church, it's about those who become SAVED ""during"" Tribulation.
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they are not beheaded.

so, TWO Groups of People will actually find Salvation ""during"" the Tribulation.

The CHURCH, had Salvation [[BEFORE]] Tribulation ever began.

Plus, the CHURCH, is not ""coming out"" of Tribulation, but going THROUGH...

 

[LightOfMyLife]

13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”
14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


the CHURCH, they are already clothed in white Robes [because they were Saved before Tribulation].

but Verses 13 and 14 [is not] about the Church, it's about those who become SAVED ""during"" Tribulation.
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they are not beheaded.

so, TWO Groups of People will actually find Salvation ""during"" the Tribulation.

The CHURCH had Salvation [[BEFORE]] Tribulation ever began.

Plus, the CHURCH is not ""coming out"" of Tribulation, but going THROUGH...

Apparently, the above ewq1938 you quoted didn't read the scripture that was in my link on post 1,522.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Apparently, the above you quoted didn't read the scripture that was in my link on post 1,522.

i realize that you are [pre-trib] and i am [pre-wrath], but even if the Church is Rapture'd before Tribulation or Wrath, those Verses I mentioned + your article [i just read myself], is not about the Church.

Those people, don't even believe in [[JESUS]] [like the Jews] when Tribulation begins, or possibly like the Beheaded, who are a good chance at being some of the Fallen Away Christians who now choose God at the price of decapitation. No matter how it breaks down, it still [is not] the Church.

and "WE" clearly do Agree on that

 

[LightOfMyLife]

i realize that you are [pre-trib] and i am [pre-wrath], but even if the Church is Rapture'd before Tribulation or Wrath, those Verses I mentioned + your article [i just read myself], is not about the Church.

Those people, don't even believe in [[JESUS]] [like the Jews] when Tribulation begins, or possibly like the Beheaded, who are a good chance at being some of the Fallen Away Christians who now choose God at the price of decapitation. No matter how it breaks down, it still [is not] the Church.

and "WE" clearly do Agree on that

The good news there are some Jews who are saved like Jay Sekulow with ACLJ, and Joel Rosenberg they are called Messianic Jews because they believe Jesus is the Messiah. Here is information about Jews For Jesus. https://jewsforjesus.org/blog/messianic-jews-a-brief-history

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The good news there are some Jews who are saved like Jay Sekulow with ACLJ, and Joel Rosenberg they are called Messianic Jews because they believe Jesus is the Messiah.

AMEN!

 

[ResidentAlien]

Why do they find it necessary to call themselves "Messianic Jews?" I don't feel the need to call myself a "Messianic Gentile."

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Why do they find it necessary to call themselves "Messianic Jews?" I don't feel the need to call myself a "Messianic Gentile."

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

Probably because they want to be known as believing in the Messiah. The other group of Jews are still looking for him.

 

[Cameron143]

Why do they find it necessary to call themselves "Messianic Jews?" I don't feel the need to call myself a "Messianic Gentile."

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

Because there are many sects within Judaism. It helps identify their basic beliefs more easily.

 

[Cameron143]

Probably because they want to be known as believing in the Messiah. The other group of Jews are still looking for him.

I responded before I saw your reply.

 

[Blain]

Not all Christians are killed in the trib so they will be gathered from wherever they are in the world and CAUGHT UP to one place in the clouds.



Threr are two hopes. For the slain, the hope of a resurrection. For the survivors, changed into immortal and then raptured to be with the resurrected saints.

You know I like how you said caught up as that is a much more accurate way of explaining it. I am also curious in your opinion or understanding as the holy spirit speaks to you what event do you think is going to actually start the seven year tribulation?


Or do you think we are already in it? I would enjoy reading your take

 

[ZNP]

Feast of Trumpets -- 2020 -- Global shutdown of the economy due to the Pandemic. God was declaring a sabbath fast just as Joel prophesied. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, indicating that God's judgement on the worship of Moloch and Baal with child sacrifice, the whore of Babylon was also coming.

Feast of Trumpets -- 2021 -- Illegal mandates of the vaccine revealing a tyrannical control of the world's governments while they censored dissent.

Feast of Trumpets -- 2022 -- Nordstream pipeline is blown up revealing we are headed for Armageddon and the world will hate the whore of Babylon and rise up and devour her flesh and replace the US dollar with the ten kings (BRICS).

Feast of Trumpets -- 2023 -- They are proclaiming peace and security as a clarion call in celebration of internation Peace day on the 21st. They are brokering a peace deal for Israel that would allow them to rebuild their temple in exchange for land on the 18th and 19th and they are confirming Agenda 2030, the covenant signed in 2015, strengthening it by controlling what you can buy or sell to enforce compliance.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Feast of Trumpets -- 2020 -- Global shutdown of the economy due to the Pandemic. God was declaring a sabbath fast just as Joel prophesied. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, indicating that God's judgement on the worship of Moloch and Baal with child sacrifice, the whore of Babylon was also coming.

Feast of Trumpets -- 2021 -- Illegal mandates of the vaccine revealing a tyrannical control of the world's governments while they censored dissent.

Feast of Trumpets -- 2022 -- Nordstream pipeline is blown up revealing we are headed for Armageddon and the world will hate the whore of Babylon and rise up and devour her flesh and replace the US dollar with the ten kings (BRICS).

Feast of Trumpets -- 2023 -- They are proclaiming peace and security as a clarion call in celebration of internation Peace day on the 21st. They are brokering a peace deal for Israel that would allow them to rebuild their temple in exchange for land on the 18th and 19th and they are confirming Agenda 2030, the covenant signed in 2015, strengthening it by controlling what you can buy or sell to enforce compliance.

Wow! Events are moving along quickly aren't they?

 

[ZNP]

Wow! Events are moving along quickly aren't they?

The G20 just concluded their meeting and announced that they would implement a digital currency and digital ID for all 8 billion people worldwide.

We are going down a river that just two years ago was relatively calm but now is the rapids and we can see the giant waterfall up ahead.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

The G20 just concluded their meeting and announced that they would implement a digital currency and digital ID for all 8 billion people worldwide.

We are going down a river that just two years ago was relatively calm but now is the rapids and we can see the giant waterfall up ahead.

It sounds like the globalists are taking over trying to control everything we do down to electric cars with chargers. the food we eat, freedom of speech, etc.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The G20 just concluded their meeting and announced that they would implement a digital currency and digital ID for all 8 billion people worldwide.

We are going down a river that just two years ago was relatively calm but now is the rapids and we can see the giant waterfall up ahead.

through the Central Bank, which is the one Bank connecting All Nations

great information posted!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It sounds like the globalists are taking over trying to control everything we do down to electric cars with chargers. the food we eat, freedom of speech, etc.

klaus, is the biggest force pushing this "Movement."

He proposed if humans accept his RFID Chip, his Company will pay that person 2k a month for life.

24k yearly to be RFID Chipped.

and he wants that to be implemented through the Central Bank.

look up the term ... can't remember but begins with "R" - i will find it.