There will be no Rapture!!!

[The_Watchers_2017]

Paul (in v.1) is bringing the Subject of "our Rapture" TO BEAR ON the matter of the False Claim of v.2, "that the day of the Lord is present / is here [perfect indicative]."









At the other end of the passage, in v.15, he basically states, believe US / what WE taught you, not THEM (false claimants of v.2).

You are so lost you are just making it up now. And it doesn't shock me that CV is backing you considering he is using the Septuagint that has ADDED a 100 years to the ;lineage of Seth. I truly can see if the sentence said the ball rolled over the street, you would interpret it as, the ball will indeed roll over the Street when this and that happens. Problem is, Paul, flat out tells us when this happens. You, on the other hand, must hate the direct Sentence Structure presented by Paul. Because, you've exegeted it like it is not translated into English but closer to Frances, Espano maybe even Portuguese.

You truly missed your calling, a Comedian, is what you are.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

"Making up" a beautifully parsed, ineffably logical boilerplate case proving the pre-trib rapture that would make Thurgood Marshall blush with envy.

well no, he is just not accepting what Paul is saying and then he interjects something Paul NEVER claims. So, Watermark, is using deceptive measures to make a claim he knows does not exist.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

the Way Watermark has created his Pre-Trib Rapture, by taking single Verses here and there and then interchanging them with Verses to make his viewpoint. He is doing the SAME thing John Calvin did with Predestination, trying to use Jesus Prayer for His Disciples in terms for all humanity WHEN JESUS is specific it is ONLY about the Disciples. Or most of TULIP is the same way.

Watermark, definitely gets it honestly because you can see how he goes about gathering Verses to make a point that the Verse was NEVER EVER intended to make.

Watermark, is ""literally John Calvining,"" the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine.

Oddly enough, the ONLY ONES WHO ARE BUYING IT, are mostly Calvinist because the Outline is familiar to them.

But, as an ex Southern Baptist, I know these deceptive tricks.

 

[cv5]

well no, he is just not accepting what Paul is saying and then he interjects something Paul NEVER claims. So, Watermark, is using deceptive measures to make a claim he knows does not exist.

Nope. You got that all wrong. Fact is that you are in the deep end and over your head.

Just build up those "treading water" mental muscles for a while and dive back in later. God willing you are gonna learn how to swim eventually.

 

[cv5]

the Way Watermark has created his Pre-Trib Rapture, by taking single Verses here and there and then interchanging them with Verses to make his viewpoint. He is doing the SAME thing John Calvin did with Predestination, trying to use Jesus Prayer for His Disciples in terms for all humanity WHEN JESUS is specific it is ONLY about the Disciples. Or most of TULIP is the same way.

Watermark gets is honestly because you can see how he goes about gathering Verses to make a point that the Verse was NEVER EVER intended to make.

Watermark, is ""literally John Calvining,"" the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine.

Oddly enough, the ONLY ONES WHO ARE BUYING IT, are most Calvinist because the Outline is familiar to them.

But, as an ex Southern Baptist, I know these deceptive tricks.

Nope. I am not a Calvinist. Not even close. Man's choice is utterly sacrosanct in terms of the order of primordial creation, as is evidenced by the two trees in the garden.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Nope. You got that all wrong. Fact is that you are in the deep end and over your head.

Just build up those "treading water" mental muscles for a while and dive back in later. God willing you are gonna learn how to swim eventually.

No ONE ever preached or wrote about Pre-Trib Rapture.
A HERETIC created it and the blinded are spoon feeding off the fool like a junkie with a full syringe.

The Church Fathers, you know, who were taught by the APOSTLES, who wrote the New Testament, all claim the Rapture is AFTER the AC is revealed. Guess what, that is what Paul wrote!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Nope. I am not a Calvinist. Not even close. Man's choice is utterly sacrosanct in terms of the order of primordial creation, as is evidenced by the two trees in the garden.

Calvinist is about the outline, not the Doctrine. He is outlining his Version of the Doctrine like Calvin did his own False Doctrines.

 

[cv5]

No ONE ever preached or wrote about Pre-Trib Rapture.

Eternal Omniscient God Jesus Messiah did the writing, Paul did the preaching. A majority consisting of the infinite One + Paul disagrees with your erroneous assessment.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Eternal Omniscient God Jesus Messiah did the writing, Paul did the preaching. A majority consisting of the infinite One + Paul disagrees with your erroneous assessment.

prove it because it ONLY exists in YOUR MIND, it is NOWHERE in the Holy Inspired Word of God. it only exists in the minds of Heretics like Darby and his followers!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

we have Paul flat out showing us Jesus Returns and gathers us AFTER the AC is revealed.

That is as clear as a purified glass.


Now, show me a Verse that says Jesus Returns and gets us BEFORE the AC is revealed!
^
Because, that version and Verse [[DOES NOT]] Exist!

 

[cv5]

prove it because it ONLY exists in YOUR MIND, it is NOWHERE in the Holy Inspired Word of God. it only exists in the minds of Heretics like Darby!

Friend......the case for the rapture has prevailed on this thread in devastating form. Same result every rapture thread.

As a member of the peanut gallery, I can say with the utmost confidence that @TheDivineWatermark has WON EVERY SINGLE CONFRONTATION IN EVERY SINGLE POST. He isn't winning a few, HE IS WINNING THEM ALL! Literally batting 1000. A breathtaking display and amazing feat of sheer competence and astute scholarship. And thrilling to behold I have to tell you.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Friend......the case for the rapture has prevailed on this thread in devastating form. Same result every rapture thread.

As a member of the peanut gallery, I can say with the utmost confidence that @TheDivineWatermark has WON EVERY SINGLE CONFRONTATION IN EVERY SINGLE POST. He isn't winning a few, HE IS WINNING THEM ALL! Literally batting 1000. An breathtaking and amazing feat of sheer competence and astute scholarship. And thrilling to behold I have to tell you.

in 3 Verses, of the same flow, mind thought, Holy Spirit Inspired and Jesus led, Paul simplified when Jesus Returns.

But I have read CV and Watermark, and it takes them a full page of NOTHING to prove they are all baloney!

God, is Simple and to the Point, like Paul wrote.

But CV and Watermark, you need 12 Books, 17 Chapters and 33 "cherry picked" Verses from wherever they can find anything to create their MYTH on.

 

[cv5]

in 3 Verses, of the same flow, mind thought, Holy Spirit Inspired and Jesus led, Paul simplified when Jesus Returns.

But I have read CV and Watermark, and it takes them a full page of NOTHING to prove they are all baloney!

God, is Simple and to the Point, like Paul wrote.

But CV and Watermark, you need 12 Books, 17 Chapters and 33 "cherry picked" Verses from wherever they can find anything to create their MYTH on.

Well....you are never going to prove post-trib with that quality of discourse.
Precision, scholarship, experience, diligence won the day.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Well....you are never going to prove post-trib with that quality of discourse.
Precision, scholarship, experience, diligence won the day.

i don't believe in Post Tribulation.
I believe in Pre-Wrath, which is what Paul perfectly explains what is going to happen as soon as the AC is Revealed.
We are gone and then it is the Jews and the AC.

 

[cv5]

i don't believe in Post Tribulation.
I believe in Pre-Wrath,

Well........if you do you must not be paying attention.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Well........if you do you must not be paying attention.

Jesus, in Daniel said:

וּמֵעֵת֙ הוּסַ֣ר הַתָּמִ֔יד וְלָתֵ֖ת שִׁקּ֣וּץ שֹׁמֵ֑ם יָמִ֕ים אֶ֖לֶף מָאתַ֥יִם וְתִשְׁעִֽים׃
(From the time the regular offering is abolished, and an appalling abomination is set up—it will be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


אַשְׁרֵ֥י הַֽמְחַכֶּ֖ה וְיַגִּ֑יעַ לְיָמִ֕ים אֶ֕לֶף שְׁלֹ֥שׁ מֵא֖וֹת שְׁלֹשִׁ֥ים וַחֲמִשָּֽׁה׃
Happy the one who waits and reaches one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.)


...if we go by Paul, Raptured AFTER AC is Revealed, WE will be : Happy the one who waits and reaches one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

I like that: Jesus said: HAPPY the ONE who waits....

 

[ewq1938]

i don't believe in Post Tribulation.
I believe in Pre-Wrath,

Posttrib is pre-wrath. Pretrib is not Prewrath.

which is what Paul perfectly explains what is going to happen as soon as the AC is Revealed.

Paul said the coming of Jesus and our gathering to him (rapture) will not happen until the Apostasy and the revealing of the man of sin (AC) takes place first.

Pretrib has the rapture at the time of the Apostasy and thinks Apostasy is just a physical departure when it is a religious/moral departure.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Posttrib is pre-wrath. Pretrib is not Prewrath.




Paul said the coming of Jesus and our gathering to him (rapture) will not happen until the Apostasy and the revealing of the man of sin (AC) takes place first.

Pretrib has the rapture at the time of the Apostasy and thinks Apostasy is just a physical departure when it is a religious/moral departure.

ok, i believe in
אַשְׁרֵ֥י הַֽמְחַכֶּ֖ה וְיַגִּ֑יעַ לְיָמִ֕ים אֶ֕לֶף שְׁלֹ֥שׁ מֵא֖וֹת שְׁלֹשִׁ֥ים וַחֲמִשָּֽׁה׃
Happy the one who waits and reaches one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.)

which then is after Mid-Trib, but to me is still Pre-Wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

ok, i believe in
אַשְׁרֵ֥י הַֽמְחַכֶּ֖ה וְיַגִּ֑יעַ לְיָמִ֕ים אֶ֕לֶף שְׁלֹ֥שׁ מֵא֖וֹת שְׁלֹשִׁ֥ים וַחֲמִשָּֽׁה׃
Happy the one who waits and reaches one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.)

which then is after Mid-Trib, but to me is still Pre-Wrath.

The bible places the rapture after the trib has ended, at the second coming.

Here is the only passage about The Rapture that actually uses the Greek word that means a rapture, Harpazo:

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

Here we see the second coming mentioned 3 times, then the resurrection and then the rapture. This proves the rapture is connected to the second coming. All that needs to be proven is when the second coming happens to know when the rapture happens.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


The second coming happens AFTER the GT is over, so the rapture happens post-Trib. Circumventing these two passages is to ignore the scriptural evidence of WHEN the rapture is going to happen.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Watermark, is ""literally John Calvining,"" the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine.

Oddly enough, the ONLY ONES WHO ARE BUYING IT, are mostly Calvinist because the Outline is familiar to them.

To be clear, I am NEITHER "Calvinist" NOR "Arminianist".


So there's that.









["pre-trib rapture" doctrine is NOT exclusively held by Calvinists... people of all stripes hold to it... So it is not accurate to intimate that it is exclusively (or even "mostly") Calvinist doctrine. NOT SO!! (red herring, much?? )]