AI (Artificial Intelligence) and the Image of the Beast (Antichrist)

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My Dad was on Pearl Harbor when the Japanese bombed it. The radar operator saw the planes coming 50 minutes before the arrived but the commanding officer decided it might be a flock of birds and so did not sound the alarm. If he had sounded the alarm chances are very good that Pearl Harbor would have been a huge victory for the US and would have ended the battle in the Pacific two years early if not more.

I would prefer you have a few false alarms that mean you go on alert for 30 minutes rather than the carnage we had because the guy didn't sound the alarm.
There's nothing wrong with sounding the alarm, as the end-time signs are blaring everywhere nowadays. But when it comes to eschatology, it's mostly theories as we all try to figure out the hidden mystery of Jesus' triumphant return.
 

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There's nothing wrong with sounding the alarm, as the end-time signs are blaring everywhere nowadays. But when it comes to eschatology, it's mostly theories as we all try to figure out the hidden mystery of Jesus' triumphant return.
Yes, but also no reason to jump the gun. The 9th of Av goes till the 15th of Av in the typology.

The 9th of Av is when they were cursed for unbelief and idolatry and it is also when the first and second temples were destroyed.

The 15th of Av is when they realized the curse was over and that is the happiest day on the Jewish calendar and the best day to get married. Jesus said they would be eating and drinking, marrying and giving away in marriage. You could do that on the 8th, but then the first day of your honeymoon would be a day of mourning and fasting? I don't think so. Instead I would think this would refer to the 15th of Av.

Also, Jesus said we would mourn, but our mourning would turn to joy. The 9th of Av is a day of mourning that turns to joy on the 15th of Av.

The key point is we are to be conformed to the death of Christ. We see that in the 15th of Av. When no one was dead after they slept in the graves on the 9th of Av they continued until the full moon -- 15th of Av and only then realized the curse was over. So for one week they abided in the graves, a picture of abiding in the death of Jesus that we might also rise in the likeness of His resurrection.

This in turn is one possible interpretation of "the dead in Christ rise first". If you agree with the theory that many Christians will be left behind in the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, then you must wonder what is the criteria for those who are taken? They are those who have put to death the flesh with the passions and the lusts, they are abiding in the crucified Christ, hence they are the "dead in Christ". No doubt this also refers to the graves being opened as well, just saying there is more than one way to read that verse.
 

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Yes, but also no reason to jump the gun. The 9th of Av goes till the 15th of Av in the typology.

The 9th of Av is when they were cursed for unbelief and idolatry and it is also when the first and second temples were destroyed.

The 15th of Av is when they realized the curse was over and that is the happiest day on the Jewish calendar and the best day to get married. Jesus said they would be eating and drinking, marrying and giving away in marriage. You could do that on the 8th, but then the first day of your honeymoon would be a day of mourning and fasting? I don't think so. Instead I would think this would refer to the 15th of Av.

Also, Jesus said we would mourn, but our mourning would turn to joy. The 9th of Av is a day of mourning that turns to joy on the 15th of Av.

The key point is we are to be conformed to the death of Christ. We see that in the 15th of Av. When no one was dead after they slept in the graves on the 9th of Av they continued until the full moon -- 15th of Av and only then realized the curse was over. So for one week they abided in the graves, a picture of abiding in the death of Jesus that we might also rise in the likeness of His resurrection.

This in turn is one possible interpretation of "the dead in Christ rise first". If you agree with the theory that many Christians will be left behind in the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, then you must wonder what is the criteria for those who are taken? They are those who have put to death the flesh with the passions and the lusts, they are abiding in the crucified Christ, hence they are the "dead in Christ". No doubt this also refers to the graves being opened as well, just saying there is more than one way to read that verse.
Also I would point out that there is one very interesting interpretation of the seven seals. In this interpretation Jesus, the lamb of God who was just recently slain, opens the seals. Not prior to the tribulation but right after being crucified and then resurrected. Yes, the church, the lampstand is in heaven with Him, but Paul told us these mysteries were opened and the church was in heaven with Jesus in the book of Ephesians.

Then at the start of the tribulation we have the Antichrist, the counterfeit Christ, with the false prophets, opening a counterfeit seven seals. Many have interpreted the first seal as referring to the gospel or referring to the AntiChrist. In this interpretation it is both. Also many have referred to "the great delusion" as the UFO story for the rapture, but in this interpretation it is much bigger than that. Includes false prophets, changing the laws, writing a new Bible with AI, and a false gospel which is not another gospel but a perversion of the gospel.

The sixth seal would refer to the rapture. The great earthquake (every time someone rose from the dead in the Bible there is an earthquake) and everything else said out the sixth seal reminds us of the verses on the rapture. Well in Revelation 6 we are told the sixth seal is opened on a full moon. The 15th of Av is a full moon.
 

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Hi! Jumping in kind of late in the conversation. After gleaning over the previous posts, I want to share a couple of things. The first is in regard to the timing of punishment handed down to the House of Israel. I'm not addressing the House of Judah at this time.

In Ezekiel 4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

The house of Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians up to 722/721 BC. God gave them 390 years of punishment and to return unto Him. According to Leviticus 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
Lev_26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
Lev_26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The house of Israel (ten tribers mostly) did not return to God and therefore, their punishment was 7 times the 390 years. This equals a total 2730 years. When we add this 2730 years to 722/721 BC, we arrive at 2007/2008/2009 CE. The house of Israel during this time, scattered throughout the whole world and forgot the LORD/YHWH and forgot His commandments.

Did anyone notice the explosion of Hebrew Roots in this time period of 2007-2009?

The second thing I wanted to address is the 70 weeks of Daniel. Did you know that the correct Sabbitical and Jubilee years were discovered in 2005 by Joseph Dumond (web site sightedmoon.com and youtube sightedmoon)

Why is that important? Because we know the Exodus occurred in 1379 BC. There had been from Adam up to Moses 50 Jubilee cycles. (By the way, a Jubilee is 49 years plus the 1st year of the next 49 years)

Sabbitical and Jubilee Chart and also 45 Sabbitical and Jubilee proofs

At the 51st Jubilee cycle, Moses is given the command to go and get the children iof Israel out of Egypt.

Daniel describes 7 weeks and 62 weeks.

Dan_9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Seven Jubilee cycles from 51st equals 57th cycle. This Messiah the Prince is not Jesus as many have assumed since the translators decided to capitalize Messiah and Prince. This Messiah the Prince is King David. Saul was King at 1050 BC and David was born 1040 BC and at the age of 30 King David was over all 12 tribes in 1010 BC, David built the city of David and the Millo.

(2 Samuel 5:9 So David dwelt in the fort, and called it the city of David. And David built round about from Millo and inward.)

Jumping now to add 62 more Jubilee cycles we come to the end of the 119th Jubilee cycle which ends 1995 and the 120th Jubilee cycle begins in 1996. This is the 70th week of Daniel (from 51st to 120th) The thing that had me confused forever was a Jubilee 49 years plus 1 year of the next 49 or was a Jubilee 50 years and the next year was the 1st year of another 50. The correct count is 49 years plus the next year is 1st year of another 49, which gives us 5880 years for 120 Jubilee cycles and not 6000 years.

The middle of Daniel's 70th week was 2020. In March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) shutdown/lock downed the whole world because of C-19.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah the anointed be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Where the anointed cut off? Yes, every church, synagogue, temple, and mosque was closed and the corporate prayers (bullocks of our lips) was stopped. Every man who would normally be travel to Jerusalem for the three appointed feasts was stopped. No flying into Jerusalem. No crossing of borders into Israel. Every Christian who would normally celebrate Easter was stopped.

Now the "one week" has a possibility of being the 1973 UNITED NATIONS met for the beginning of "Climate Control" but by 2020 it had become also known by many names (Paris Accord is one) and had come to ADD LGBQTXYZ RIGHTS.

Now, the LORD knew this was going to happen and when it was to happen. So we have now completely entered into like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the wickedness that brought the LORD to cause the flood of Noah and the Ark.

Please read below this post and read my signature line. Will March 11, 2020 plus 1290 days be SEPTEMBER 22, 2023 for the Abomination of Desolation?

Watching!! I know personally some who plan to be in Jerusalem to be a witness and give testimony.
 

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I have been doing some brainstorming about AI (Artificial Intelligence) and how it might relate to the Bible. The Bible states that an image of the Beast (Antichrist) will be made, and all who will not worship it would be killed. This seemed far-fetched until recently.

Revelation 13
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Remember, this Scripture was written approximately 1900 years ago (95 AD), so this would have seemed preposterous at the time. But now with the exponential increase in modern advancement over the past 120 years or so, it's not so far-fetched. The technology is here now, in our very generation. So, will AI (Artificial Intelligence) be the mechanism to bring about this image of the Beast (Antichrist) to be worshiped? These artificial humans are very life-like, and I can see this younger generation of people being absolutely enthralled and enamored with these created beings. Remember, this younger generation believes that you can identify with whatever reality suits you, e.g., transgenderism, transhumanism, etc... I could even see these younger people nowadays wanting to marry these artificial beings to accommodate their own selfish desires.

AI is a simple program that is attached to a database. It can't really learn or seek out its own information and qualify that information. It only knows what you tell it.
AI still doesn't think independently or creatively. It's just another dumb program on a computer. It's comprehensive database is massive and it seems like intelligence....but it's just following pre-established formulas and protocols. And just like an self driving car....it sometimes crashes for no apparent reason.
 

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AI is a simple program that is attached to a database. It can't really learn or seek out its own information and qualify that information. It only knows what you tell it.
AI still doesn't think independently or creatively. It's just another dumb program on a computer. It's comprehensive database is massive and it seems like intelligence....but it's just following pre-established formulas and protocols. And just like an self driving car....it sometimes crashes for no apparent reason.
The false prophet and/or anti-christ could have the AI image of the beast programmed to speak their desired utterances.
 

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Hi! Jumping in kind of late in the conversation. After gleaning over the previous posts, I want to share a couple of things. The first is in regard to the timing of punishment handed down to the House of Israel. I'm not addressing the House of Judah at this time.

In Ezekiel 4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

The house of Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians up to 722/721 BC. God gave them 390 years of punishment and to return unto Him. According to Leviticus 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
Lev_26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
Lev_26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The house of Israel (ten tribers mostly) did not return to God and therefore, their punishment was 7 times the 390 years. This equals a total 2730 years. When we add this 2730 years to 722/721 BC, we arrive at 2007/2008/2009 CE. The house of Israel during this time, scattered throughout the whole world and forgot the LORD/YHWH and forgot His commandments.

Did anyone notice the explosion of Hebrew Roots in this time period of 2007-2009?

The second thing I wanted to address is the 70 weeks of Daniel. Did you know that the correct Sabbitical and Jubilee years were discovered in 2005 by Joseph Dumond (web site sightedmoon.com and youtube sightedmoon)

Why is that important? Because we know the Exodus occurred in 1379 BC. There had been from Adam up to Moses 50 Jubilee cycles. (By the way, a Jubilee is 49 years plus the 1st year of the next 49 years)

Sabbitical and Jubilee Chart and also 45 Sabbitical and Jubilee proofs

At the 51st Jubilee cycle, Moses is given the command to go and get the children iof Israel out of Egypt.

Daniel describes 7 weeks and 62 weeks.

Dan_9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Seven Jubilee cycles from 51st equals 57th cycle. This Messiah the Prince is not Jesus as many have assumed since the translators decided to capitalize Messiah and Prince. This Messiah the Prince is King David. Saul was King at 1050 BC and David was born 1040 BC and at the age of 30 King David was over all 12 tribes in 1010 BC, David built the city of David and the Millo.

(2 Samuel 5:9 So David dwelt in the fort, and called it the city of David. And David built round about from Millo and inward.)

Jumping now to add 62 more Jubilee cycles we come to the end of the 119th Jubilee cycle which ends 1995 and the 120th Jubilee cycle begins in 1996. This is the 70th week of Daniel (from 51st to 120th) The thing that had me confused forever was a Jubilee 49 years plus 1 year of the next 49 or was a Jubilee 50 years and the next year was the 1st year of another 50. The correct count is 49 years plus the next year is 1st year of another 49, which gives us 5880 years for 120 Jubilee cycles and not 6000 years.

The middle of Daniel's 70th week was 2020. In March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) shutdown/lock downed the whole world because of C-19.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah the anointed be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Where the anointed cut off? Yes, every church, synagogue, temple, and mosque was closed and the corporate prayers (bullocks of our lips) was stopped. Every man who would normally be travel to Jerusalem for the three appointed feasts was stopped. No flying into Jerusalem. No crossing of borders into Israel. Every Christian who would normally celebrate Easter was stopped.

Now the "one week" has a possibility of being the 1973 UNITED NATIONS met for the beginning of "Climate Control" but by 2020 it had become also known by many names (Paris Accord is one) and had come to ADD LGBQTXYZ RIGHTS.

Now, the LORD knew this was going to happen and when it was to happen. So we have now completely entered into like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the wickedness that brought the LORD to cause the flood of Noah and the Ark.

Please read below this post and read my signature line. Will March 11, 2020 plus 1290 days be SEPTEMBER 22, 2023 for the Abomination of Desolation?

Watching!! I know personally some who plan to be in Jerusalem to be a witness and give testimony.
Interesting, but when in your theory was "the covenant with many for one week" confirmed? This is a key point of the prophecy spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
 

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Interesting, but when in your theory was "the covenant with many for one week" confirmed? This is a key point of the prophecy spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
One theory is that this is referring to Agenda 2030, a covenant made in 2015 and will be confirmed (strengthened) this September during the feast of trumpets. They are planning on strengthening these 17 "laws" by instituting a worldwide Central Bank Digital Currency because this way they will be able to make sure that no one uses more than their allotted amount of meat or gasoline, etc.

The architect of this is king Charles, and Janie Duval has a youtube channel where she has interviewed two researchers providing very compelling evidence that he is the one referred to as the Antichrist in the Bible.

Another interesting connection with Daniel is that King Charles was awarded a statue for the work he did on Agenda 2030, it is called "Savior of the World" and depicts him as an angel (or demon). It is 10 cubits high so that when the Jewish temple is built they can put it in the temple. A winged idol just like Daniel referred to, though most translations say "overspreading of abominations"
 

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One theory is that this is referring to Agenda 2030, a covenant made in 2015 and will be confirmed (strengthened) this September during the feast of trumpets. They are planning on strengthening these 17 "laws" by instituting a worldwide Central Bank Digital Currency because this way they will be able to make sure that no one uses more than their allotted amount of meat or gasoline, etc.

The architect of this is king Charles, and Janie Duval has a youtube channel where she has interviewed two researchers providing very compelling evidence that he is the one referred to as the Antichrist in the Bible.

Another interesting connection with Daniel is that King Charles was awarded a statue for the work he did on Agenda 2030, it is called "Savior of the World" and depicts him as an angel (or demon). It is 10 cubits high so that when the Jewish temple is built they can put it in the temple. A winged idol just like Daniel referred to, though most translations say "overspreading of abominations"
In my view, "the covenant with many" spoken of by the prophet Daniel is referring directly to Israel, as it pertains to their 70th week of punishment. The seven-year accelerated agreement within the UN body slated for this September is directed at the world. I do believe this is part of the ground work for solidifying global governance and control for use by the soon-coming man of sin, i.e., anti-christ.
 

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Interesting, but when in your theory was "the covenant with many for one week" confirmed? This is a key point of the prophecy spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
1972 (UNEP with 193 state partners) PLUS 49 years (week/shabua?) = Agenda 2021 "Covenant made with many "countries"". First it was protection rights for civility in war behavior and now we are up to the rights of the LGBTQXYZ. Jesus said "As in the days of Noah and as in the days of Lot....

Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Luk_17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man
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Luk_17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;


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In my view, "the covenant with many" spoken of by the prophet Daniel is referring directly to Israel, as it pertains to their 70th week of punishment. The seven-year accelerated agreement within the UN body slated for this September is directed at the world. I do believe this is part of the ground work for solidifying global governance and control for use by the soon-coming man of sin, i.e., anti-christ.
OK, so what verses is that interpretation based on?
 

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In my view, "the covenant with many" spoken of by the prophet Daniel is referring directly to Israel, as it pertains to their 70th week of punishment. The seven-year accelerated agreement within the UN body slated for this September is directed at the world. I do believe this is part of the ground work for solidifying global governance and control for use by the soon-coming man of sin, i.e., anti-christ.
Are you referring to "Israel" the tiny country founded in 1948? Or are you referring to the split house of Israel and house of Judah as "Israel"?

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
 

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OK, so what verses is that interpretation based on?
The fact that the abomination of desolation is mentioned in the prophecy, which is in reference to the 70th week. This is about Israel.

Daniel 9
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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AI is much worse. It killed Solymani. Trump had nothing to do with it. AI is in your cell phone. It was unleashed years ago. There are now Biological circuits grown from Fetal cells. They regenerate. Its like Growing a computer in a Fish Tank, Human Logic Circuits without a Conscience. AI has nothing to do with this. You paid for it. All those Abortions were for research. Voting for Antiabortion politicians when the power of Law was in your own state. The truth is much worse than AI. Thats why I retired.
Yup. There are some extremely wicked of that sort going on right now....today.

Remember, in times past Jesus came to judge when detestable human/fallen angel collaborations lead to extreme wickedness.
Things like transhumanism, human DNA tampering, human sacrifice for Satanic purposes and so on.

This is why Jesus links the Flood and Sodom with the tribulation and SC. Similar practices were happening there and then.

Most people fail to recognize what was going on in Sodom. These wicked men wanted access to what they KNEW to be angelic bodies for the purpose of experimentation and life extension.

Also let me say that all of the "rumors" of child and human trafficking horrors happening today are many times factual. Supposedly all of the elites in government and hollweird know of it (and/or practice it) perfectly well.
 

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And before we forget, the same sort of demonic interactions MUST have been taking place in Canaan at the time of Joshua. The land was crawling with Nephilim after all, along with demon worship everywhere.

BTW......the conquest of Canaan by the commander of the host of the Lord Joshua is a microcosmic "type" of the greater conquest of the planet earth by the Great Commander of the host of the Lord, Jesus.

As it was then, so it shall be during the tribulation. A fact that the Scripture makes clear.
 

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The false prophet and/or anti-christ could have the AI image of the beast programmed to speak their desired utterances.
But then it's a particular person pulling the strings of a puppet. And it doesn't really fit the description.
 

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The fact that the abomination of desolation is mentioned in the prophecy, which is in reference to the 70th week. This is about Israel.

Daniel 9
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was made 483 years before Jesus was crucified.

The people of the prince came in 70 AD and destroyed the temple.

There is nothing that directly says the covenant that is confirmed has anything to do with rebuilding the temple. We have assumed that it does because immediately after confirming the covenant with the many it says he shall also cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. But that is merely an inference without any solid Biblical backing.
 

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But then it's a particular person pulling the strings of a puppet. And it doesn't really fit the description.
I don't understand your viewpoint, as he causes the image to speak and to be worshiped.

Revelation 13
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
 

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The command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was made 483 years before Jesus was crucified.

The people of the prince came in 70 AD and destroyed the temple.

There is nothing that directly says the covenant that is confirmed has anything to do with rebuilding the temple. We have assumed that it does because immediately after confirming the covenant with the many it says he shall also cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. But that is merely an inference without any solid Biblical backing.
This is off track. I said nothing about the rebuilding of the temple. The issue at hand is that the one week (seven years) "covenant with many" is Israel's 70th week of punishment. I interpret this to mean that the covenant is made with Israel, not the world as you indicate regarding the UN's seven-year accelerated plan. How would an agreement with the people's of the world be punishment by God for Israel? That wouldn't make sense. Again, the 70th week is for Israel, and the "covenant with many" for one week (seven years) is that 70th week, in my view. Am I missing something?
 

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This is off track. I said nothing about the rebuilding of the temple. The issue at hand is that the one week (seven years) "covenant with many" is Israel's 70th week of punishment. I interpret this to mean that the covenant is made with Israel, not the world as you indicate regarding the UN's seven-year accelerated plan. How would an agreement with the people's of the world be punishment by God for Israel? That wouldn't make sense. Again, the 70th week is for Israel, and the "covenant with many" for one week (seven years) is that 70th week, in my view. Am I missing something?
The church?

When Jesus was crucified we began the church age. It is like a parenthesis between the 69th and 70th week. The gospel was preached to the whole world and those that receive it are saved and those that reject it are going to suffer judgement. That judgement will begin after the church is taken away, so the Lord is able to walk and chew gum at the same time. He is going to wrap up salvation of the Jews and He is also going to wrap up the judgement of all those who refused to have Him reign over them.

If the covenant was with Israel, or Jacob, or Judah or Ephraim I would agree with you. But the covenant is confirmed with the many. The Bible never refers to Israel as "the many", but it does refer to the Nations and the Gentiles and the Kings of the Earth in this way.