Fighting for your Country

[tourist]

Is that what Jesus carried?

The weapon of Jesus is His spoken word. He told his disciples to carry a sword when they went out to spread the gospel. Your question does not make much sense.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Is that what Jesus carried?

Jesus carried a cross, and that is what I try to point my enemies to. Is it easy? No. Is it possible? Yes.

 

[Gojira]

I did think it through, and I never said a word about a complete strip-down of our military. Instead, I simply stated, and rightly so, that there are many instances in scripture where God himself stirred up an invading army for corrective purposes. In such instances, to fight against such armies would be to fight against God.

At the same time, there are instances in the Bible where God did not stir up an invading army, and the people could rightly defend themselves against the same, or God himself fought against said armies.

My point was that it is not a cut and dried issue. In other words, there are times to yield to God's corrective measures, and there are times to fight against enemy forces. It takes prayer and discernment to see which of the two is the proper response or action.

By the way, I do not believe, for even a split second, that the United States of America is even a remotely righteous nation. Instead, i believe that it is one of the most wicked nations on the face of the earth. Perhaps not as overtly as some other nations, but definitely covertly. There are times in scripture where God does not deal with a nation until its sins are come to the full, and I believe that this scenario applies to the USA. In other words, I believe that the USA still has an end-times purpose to fulfill, and then God will deal with it justly.

First of all, by your reasoning, to fight against the Japanese in the 1940s was fighting against God. Unless... you discerned that that was an unjust attack not stirred by God?

Secondly, if you take the tack that we are near Sodom & Gomorrah level, you're not looking at things clearly. Those two cities had none in them that were righteous. Even in our worst cities, we have thousands of believers.

People do this. They always swing to the worst examples of history and then slap that label onto America, when those labels are thoroughly hyperbolic. The Left thinks we're fascist. Seriously?? Christians like you think we're akin to the cities that God wiped out. We have never been on that level. But, if enough believers take the tack that we should just stay out of things, not be salt, and let the country rot, we will be.

You also didn't mention wanting to try to bring the nation back to a better place, spiritually and culturally. Was this an oversight? Or, did you state this elsewhere in another post?

 

[Gojira]

The weapon of Jesus is His spoken word. He told his disciples to carry a sword when they went out to spread the gospel. Your question does not make much sense.

It's a thoughtless question. Jesus wasn't a soldier or a police officer. Yet, through His word, He's instituted these measures in societies.

 

[Lynx]

First of all, by your reasoning, to fight against the Japanese in the 1940s was fighting against God. Unless... you discerned that that was an unjust attack not stirred by God?

Secondly, if you take the tack that we are near Sodom & Gomorrah level, you're not looking at things clearly. Those two cities had none in them that were righteous. Even in our worst cities, we have thousands of believers.

People do this. They always swing to the worst examples of history and then slap that label onto America, when those labels are thoroughly hyperbolic. The Left thinks we're fascist. Seriously?? Christians like you think we're akin to the cities that God wiped out. We have never been on that level. But, if enough believers take the tack that we should just stay out of things, not be salt, and let the country rot, we will be.

You also didn't mention wanting to try to bring the nation back to a better place, spiritually and culturally. Was this an oversight? Or, did you state this elsewhere in another post?

He mentioned the future, not the past. Why did you bring the Japanese into it?

Unless you think he meant ALL attacks against America, ever... Nah, you couldn't have thought that. Right?

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

First of all, by your reasoning, to fight against the Japanese in the 1940s was fighting against God. Unless... you discerned that that was an unjust attack not stirred by God?

My reasoning, as you called it, is based upon the word of God. Like it or not, there have been many times throughout history when God has stirred up an invading army. In such instances, do you believe that a Christian should fight against that which God himself ordained? It is a simple question, so please answer it. Why my call for prayer and discernment is troubling to you is beyond me. My username relates to us seeking the mind of Christ, and my comments here have perfectly aligned themselves with the same. Your username? It has to do with a fire-breathing, havoc-wreaking reptile from Japan, so why are you going on about the Japanese?

Secondly, if you take the tack that we are near Sodom & Gomorrah level, you're not looking at things clearly. Those two cities had none in them that were righteous. Even in our worst cities, we have thousands of believers.

I never mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, but this nation has more than its fair share of Sodomites in it. Then there are the transgenders reading to our children, and politicians and others who cannot even define what a man and a woman are. And that does not even take into account all of the sins committed in this nation by heterosexuals daily. Futhermore, there were righteous people, like Jeremiah for example, in Judah when God brought Nebuchadnezzar against it. He was treated kindly by the invading armies, but others were not. Then, of course, we have righteous Ezekiel who was part of the captivity. God is perfectly capable of separating the just from the unjust, or the wheat from the tares, and he is also perfectly capable of taking care of his people in a foreign land. Of course, seeing how you have consistently added to my words, you are conveniently not seeing the actual truths that I have shared here thus far.

People do this. They always swing to the worst examples of history and then slap that label onto America, when those labels are thoroughly hyperbolic.

lol. That is precisely what you have done here. In other words, I gave biblical examples concerning Israel and Judah, and you keep going on about Japan and Sodom and Gomorrah. Try addressing what I have actually said. What are you afraid of? People actually obeying the word of God and seeking discernment from the Lord?

The Left thinks we're fascist. Seriously?? Christians like you think we're akin to the cities that God wiped out. We have never been on that level. But, if enough believers take the tack that we should just stay out of things, not be salt, and let the country rot, we will be.

I see that you are very skilled at false accusations. When did I liken us to cities that God wiped out? Never, so take your false accusations elsewhere, or, better still, just get on your knees and repent before God. You are the one who mentioned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which God wiped out. That is reality, as opposed to your fantastical false claims about me.

You also didn't mention wanting to try to bring the nation back to a better place, spiritually and culturally. Was this an oversight? Or, did you state this elsewhere in another post?

I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum that I am of the evangelical nature or that I regularly seek to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with others. You know, even with my enemies. Jonah did not want to preach to his enemies. How about you?

Anyway, for the rest of you, here is a biblical example of what I am actually talking about.

When God was about to bring judgment upon the inhabitants of Zion, he said this through the prophet Joel:

Joel 2:1-11

"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? "

Here, God called the invading army "his army", and he said that even if any of them fell upon the sword, then they would not be wounded.

Does anybody here think that any godly remnant should have fought against God's army?

If you do, then you are in need of some serious help.

God instructed the people in Zion to fast, pray, and to repent.

Some of our resident war generals would have armed them to the hilt.

As Christians, we need discernment.

If God is the one who is bringing corrective measures against a nation, then we should submit to the same.

Now, let us see who else can wrest my words while ignoring everything that I have actually said and putting words in my mouth that I have never said.

Oh, by the way, speaking of discernment, or, in this case, the lack thereof, multitudes of duped "Christians" sing the song "Blow the trumpet in Zion" in church as if it is a positive thing or as if God's army, in context, is the Christians. I know because I used to attend such a church. What an ungodly mess.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

He mentioned the future, not the past. Why did you bring the Japanese into it?

Unless you think he meant ALL attacks against America, ever... Nah, you couldn't have thought that. Right?

He is deliberately skirting what I have actually said. His quarrel is with the word of God, and not with me.

 

[Lynx]

He is deliberately skirting what I have actually said. His quarrel is with the word of God, and not with me.

You're playing it the wrong way. Surely you don't think you're going to get him to see reason, do you?

The only feasible way is to see Gojira as entertainment. Since no answer will really profit, keep your answers short for efficiency. Smile at his posts when you can, roll your eyes when they are unsmileable and move on.

What? Nah, he won't get mad at what I said. He's had me on ignore for ages.

 

[Moses_Young]

I wish we could all just chill and act like the body parts we were made to be. I could make a real good joke there, but I probably shouldn't, so for once, I will refrain.

Lol. I thought this was funny by itself, but moreso with the comment that came next.

Well if you're criticizing me to get your "I'm so spiritual" boost, I guess at least you're leaving some other poor schmuck alone.

Actually, that wasn't my intention at all and I apologized that I wasn't able to try to help you in a way you could receive. Not sure if you missed my apology or just didn't receive it, but let me afresh apologize to you and ask your forgiveness.

1 Cor 12:12 - 24
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

The Left thinks we're fascist. Seriously??

I am definitely not a part of "the Left", but the fasces is easily seen in many different places in this nation.

George Washington leaning upon a fasces:



Abraham Lincoln resting his hands upon two fasces:



Two fasces hanging on the wall of the US Senate:



The fasces on the back of a dime:


Etc., etc. ,etc.

 

[tourist]

It's a thoughtless question. Jesus wasn't a soldier or a police officer. Yet, through His word, He's instituted these measures in societies.

Absolutely. Jesus is not a pacifist but rather requires justice with a penalty that must be paid. He paid the penalty for us by dying for our sins.

 

[Moses_Young]

it is my opinion that if a citizen is not willing to support/fight for, whatever, his country, he should probably go be a leech somewhere else.... YMMV, of course.

Really? You'd be willing to go fight and die for a corrupt politician like Joe Biden in a war deliberately provoked by he and his cronies with Russia to enrich his corrupt family by millions of dollars, with stolen taxes that you and those like you paid for?

Or have I misunderstood your definition of support/fight? To me, supporting/fighting for what is right is exposing and resisting the corruption of those in office like Joe Biden, or many similar crooked politicians in many more corrupt countries around the world (for decades), and not fighting, murdering or stealing in their evil wars for profit and theft (a.k.a taxation).

(My thinking is that so many good men - since WWI and probably before - died or were maimed fighting in the wars of bad men, there were not enough good men left at home to stop the takeover of their respective home countries by the bad men).

 

[shittim]

An American entering the service is not fighting for the ccp installed senile corrupt buffoon.

 

[Moses_Young]

An American entering the service is not fighting for the ccp installed senile corrupt buffoon.

I agree it's not his intent, but that may well end up being the result of it (and the same rule applies across the world). While outside the military, we have a choice of who we fight for or against, it's not so simple once you put on the uniform, even if the so-called Commander in Chief is a blatant traitor (and many of his predecessors were not so blatant).

 

[mailmandan]

Why fewer adults are ‘extremely proud’ to be American: Experts warn people are focused on ‘individualism’ | Fox News

The United States has seen a decline in patriotism over the last few years, with fewer adults saying they are proud to be an American, and traditional symbols like the flag being viewed as controversial.

In June, only 38 percent of U.S. adults said they were "extremely proud" to be American, according to a Gallup poll.

Fox News contributor Kellyanne Conway said this trend is especially true, and troubling, among young Americans.

 

[shittim]

when we saw the Executive order legislation passed we knew that would only work if we had righteous leaders, now we don't.

 

[Gojira]

My reasoning, as you called it, is based upon the word of God. Like it or not, there have been many times throughout history when God has stirred up an invading army. In such instances, do you believe that a Christian should fight against that which God himself ordained? It is a simple question, so please answer it. Why my call for prayer and discernment is troubling to you is beyond me. My username relates to us seeking the mind of Christ, and my comments here have perfectly aligned themselves with the same. Your username? It has to do with a fire-breathing, havoc-wreaking reptile from Japan, so why are you going on about the Japanese?
I never mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, but this nation has more than its fair share of Sodomites in it. Then there are the transgenders reading to our children, and politicians and others who cannot even define what a man and a woman are. And that does not even take into account all of the sins committed in this nation by heterosexuals daily. Futhermore, there were righteous people, like Jeremiah for example, in Judah when God brought Nebuchadnezzar against it. He was treated kindly by the invading armies, but others were not. Then, of course, we have righteous Ezekiel who was part of the captivity. God is perfectly capable of separating the just from the unjust, or the wheat from the tares, and he is also perfectly capable of taking care of his people in a foreign land. Of course, seeing how you have consistently added to my words, you are conveniently not seeing the actual truths that I have shared here thus far.
lol. That is precisely what you have done here. In other words, I gave biblical examples concerning Israel and Judah, and you keep going on about Japan and Sodom and Gomorrah. Try addressing what I have actually said. What are you afraid of? People actually obeying the word of God and seeking discernment from the Lord?I see that you are very skilled at false accusations. When did I liken us to cities that God wiped out? Never, so take your false accusations elsewhere, or, better still, just get on your knees and repent before God. You are the one who mentioned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which God wiped out. That is reality, as opposed to your fantastical false claims about me.
I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum that I am of the evangelical nature or that I regularly seek to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with others. You know, even with my enemies. Jonah did not want to preach to his enemies. How about you?

Anyway, for the rest of you, here is a biblical example of what I am actually talking about.

When God was about to bring judgment upon the inhabitants of Zion, he said this through the prophet Joel:

Joel 2:1-11

"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? "

Here, God called the invading army "his army", and he said that even if any of them fell upon the sword, then they would not be wounded.

Does anybody here think that any godly remnant should have fought against God's army?

If you do, then you are in need of some serious help.

God instructed the people in Zion to fast, pray, and to repent.

Some of our resident war generals would have armed them to the hilt.

As Christians, we need discernment.

If God is the one who is bringing corrective measures against a nation, then we should submit to the same.

Now, let us see who else can wrest my words while ignoring everything that I have actually said and putting words in my mouth that I have never said.

Oh, by the way, speaking of discernment, or, in this case, the lack thereof, multitudes of duped "Christians" sing the song "Blow the trumpet in Zion" in church as if it is a positive thing or as if God's army, in context, is the Christians. I know because I used to attend such a church. What an ungodly mess.

You have a LOT of time on your hands. Far more than I have. I doubt I can respond to this entire thing. I'll do what I can, but I will not be addressing each thought.

You are correct in that I may owe you an apology... or two. But, before I get to that...

The images you posted were ridiculous, as they had nothing to do with my point about the Left.

Secondly, comparing our screen IDs / avatars the way you did was ludicrous, childish and therefore sinful. That didn't help to advance your point. Moving on...

What I read in that initial post that I responded to sounded to me like someone who did not think we ought to have a military. It also sounded to me like you were comparing us to Sodom -- I do not recall saying that you actually did say that, but I may have, and if I did, I do apologize and ask your forgiveness for misrepresenting you.

However, I stand by my opinion that we are not as wicked as you say. I think you overstate the case. We have a ton of believers here, and they are praying for the nation. ~Half the country voted for Trump, which is essentially a vote for the constitution and traditional values (yeah, I know he's crude... regardless).

Now, I cannot read everything everyone posts, so that is why I asked if you just condemn the country, or do you seek God for its restoration also? Your statement that you evangelize your enemies somewhat answers this, but not completely. Are you also seeking God for the restoration of the country? That I do not recall an answer to.

As for my raising the issue of Japan, I was genuinely curious to know what you thought our of military response -- justified or not? How do I know what your "discernment" is telling you? From that response would come other questions. Unfortunately, what I did was assume your answers before you gave them, and I then answered those assumptions with my questions. Again, forgive me for flying off the handle and overreacting. I read you emotionally, not intellectually.

The thing for me is -- and my problem with your post is this: The state of the nation is of grave concern to me. So, when someone talks the way you did, basically condemning the country, but not (seemingly, anyway) saying that he was seeking God for its repentance and restoration, I get angry. I should have read your post more calmly, but I let my emotions about this topic run me off the rails. And, I've asked you to forgive my misrepresentations. I won't be getting on my knees, however. That was a bit over the top, as was your analysis of the country.

 

[Lynx]

He is deliberately skirting what I have actually said. His quarrel is with the word of God, and not with me.

See what I mean?

 

[Gojira]

An American entering the service is not fighting for the ccp installed senile corrupt buffoon.

Exactly. Another post devoid of wisdom. When you fight for the US, you are not fighting for your political servants. You are fighting for your neighbors... for the constitution and therefore, our founding philosophies and way of life. For goodness' sake!!

As for the point that "seeking..." raised, there is Biblical standing for that. God told the Jews to stand down and not resist the Babylonian invaders. But, that was God's last straw with those people. Nevertheless, I do believe that if it comes to it, God will make it known to us if He does not want us to resist an invader. Otherwise, we fight to the death (which in itself, even in victory, may be a type of judgement, as many of our own soldiers will be killed).

 

[Gojira]

Why fewer adults are ‘extremely proud’ to be American: Experts warn people are focused on ‘individualism’ | Fox News

The United States has seen a decline in patriotism over the last few years, with fewer adults saying they are proud to be an American, and traditional symbols like the flag being viewed as controversial.

In June, only 38 percent of U.S. adults said they were "extremely proud" to be American, according to a Gallup poll.

Fox News contributor Kellyanne Conway said this trend is especially true, and troubling, among young Americans.

Because our education system has been infested by communo-fascists who want to turn the next generation into the Red Guard. Or, the SA. Take your pick.