Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?
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Seems the other side of this question might be, "Obedient" ?
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Amen, I am thankful you understand that.
Hope you get back your peace, it just might be tied to the way you post on a Christian forum?
You can get a sense of the posts intent with the emoji's best wishes
Hope you get back your peace, it just might be tied to the way you post on a Christian forum?
You can get a sense of the posts intent with the emoji's best wishes
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where is Voddie wrong?
don't people debate over topics like same sex, abortion, critical race theory, gender, and then say, you are not loving for being opposed to those things?
but, the real question, like Voddie states, why are they MAD over someone like me but not mad over abortion, sodomy, murder, gender bias?
how come, the person OPPOSING these things, OR False Doctrine, is told you are not loving?
if you are told by Christians you are mean, Voddie says, it's because those Christians agree with same sex, abortion, sodomy, genderism.
so, whenever i present Scripture, that is absolute 100% TRUTH.
and then i am opposed because it comes against how someone views.
they immediately use the terms: not loving, you don't have peace, etc etc etc.
this is when the Spiritual Battle engages.
because, like Voddie says, you are no longer debating the Christian, you are debating the fact that Satan has them controlled on these issues. so, it becomes WAR!
that's all i have been doing!
don't people debate over topics like same sex, abortion, critical race theory, gender, and then say, you are not loving for being opposed to those things?
but, the real question, like Voddie states, why are they MAD over someone like me but not mad over abortion, sodomy, murder, gender bias?
how come, the person OPPOSING these things, OR False Doctrine, is told you are not loving?
if you are told by Christians you are mean, Voddie says, it's because those Christians agree with same sex, abortion, sodomy, genderism.
so, whenever i present Scripture, that is absolute 100% TRUTH.
and then i am opposed because it comes against how someone views.
they immediately use the terms: not loving, you don't have peace, etc etc etc.
this is when the Spiritual Battle engages.
because, like Voddie says, you are no longer debating the Christian, you are debating the fact that Satan has them controlled on these issues. so, it becomes WAR!
that's all i have been doing!
Tell this all of your brothers and sisters in Christ which are suffering because of deseases and sicknesses worlwide. Tell them: its your own fault, you are lacking on faith!
I am glad that our heavenly father is not acting, like some of his children.
People like you tending to destroying the faith in God because of claiming things, which our father never has prommissed.
I am glad that our heavenly father is not acting, like some of his children.
People like you tending to destroying the faith in God because of claiming things, which our father never has prommissed.
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i suggest YOU tell it to Jesus, since Jesus said He could not do Miracles because of the lack of Faith:
Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith.
Tell me, if God cannot heal them, how can YOU or I heal them?
it is Lack of Faith that many are not healed, just like Jesus said.
when Jesus looked at the situation and THOUGHT:
He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith... ,
...how do you think you can heal someone that Jesus was not able to?
Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith.
Tell me, if God cannot heal them, how can YOU or I heal them?
it is Lack of Faith that many are not healed, just like Jesus said.
when Jesus looked at the situation and THOUGHT:
He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith... ,
...how do you think you can heal someone that Jesus was not able to?
This is not the point!
Well, would you say then that Paul or his co- workers had lack on faith?
John 20,31 says why Jesus did the miracles.
Faith for to have eternal life!
Faith for to have a whole live without sickness, deseases and pain I cant find.
written.
Of course I pray and believe that Jesus/God can heal. But it is His decision to do it.
And nowhere in bible I find the promiss for an live without pain, sickness and deseases. But I know I am his child.
My wife loves Jesus, she has to do with rheumatism. A friend had brain cancer and still has pain and to suffer under the treatment and the consequences about this cancer. He was missionary when he became cancer. After that he was eldest in a church. Still he and his wife are in the Service of the Lord.
You realy think I should tell them. Oh, it is your own fault that you have this deseases. You have lack on faith.
What you are doing is that children of God began to doubt that God is loving them. Because you blame them for their situation. In claiming things which God never has promissed for our walk on earth.
Well, would you say then that Paul or his co- workers had lack on faith?
John 20,31 says why Jesus did the miracles.
Faith for to have eternal life!
Faith for to have a whole live without sickness, deseases and pain I cant find.
written.
Of course I pray and believe that Jesus/God can heal. But it is His decision to do it.
And nowhere in bible I find the promiss for an live without pain, sickness and deseases. But I know I am his child.
My wife loves Jesus, she has to do with rheumatism. A friend had brain cancer and still has pain and to suffer under the treatment and the consequences about this cancer. He was missionary when he became cancer. After that he was eldest in a church. Still he and his wife are in the Service of the Lord.
You realy think I should tell them. Oh, it is your own fault that you have this deseases. You have lack on faith.
What you are doing is that children of God began to doubt that God is loving them. Because you blame them for their situation. In claiming things which God never has promissed for our walk on earth.
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Ask yourself a question ---if your sick----are you whole ---Salvation bring wholeness and wellness to your body mind and Spirit ------your showing your ignorance here as to what Jesus really accomplished on the Cross -----your either Saved or your not ---there is no half saved deal ------
this world whole---means ----
in an unbroken or undamaged state; in one piece
a thing that is complete in itself.
I say -----if your sick are you damaged in any way -----can you function properly ---can you do God's work if your sick and in bed ---can you help your neighbour if your home sick ------
the Greek word for salvation is --------and see what is included ----Health ---it doesn't specify only Spiritual health ----it says Healing for the body as well as your spirit ------
Jesus took 39 Stripes on His back and the blood that was shed from there He purchased our Healing back -----Isaiah 53 read the Suffering Servant ------so you either believe the scripture or you don't ---you can't pick and choose what Scripture you want to believe and throw the rest out -----as God says His Complete Word is TRUTH ----
Strong's #4991:
soteria (pronounced so-tay-ree'-ah)
feminine of a derivative of 4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):--deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.
Salvation is a broader term in Greek than we often think of in English. Other concepts that are inherent in soteria include restoration to a state of safety, soundness, health and well being as well as preservation from danger of destruction.
sózó: to save--------Sozo is a Greek word meaning wholeness… • wholeness in spirit • wholeness in soul (mind, will, and emotions) • wholeness in body. It is complete healing for body, soul, and spirit.Sozo is a Greek word meaning wholeness… • wholeness in spirit • wholeness in soul (mind, will, and emotions) • wholeness in body. It is complete healing for body, soul, and spirit.
So anyone can argue this healing thing but you can't Change what is included in the package of Salvation ------as it says what it say ------all you can do is believe it and receive it ---or reject it ----
Jesus is our great Physician ------A RIPLEY"s Believe IT or NOT-----the scripture tells you how to obtain the Healing ------As pointed out ------WE ARE HEALED --Past Tense -----if you want to argue that --you need to talk to God about your unbelief ----cause Scripture is clear here -----
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this world whole---means ----
in an unbroken or undamaged state; in one piece
a thing that is complete in itself.
I say -----if your sick are you damaged in any way -----can you function properly ---can you do God's work if your sick and in bed ---can you help your neighbour if your home sick ------
the Greek word for salvation is --------and see what is included ----Health ---it doesn't specify only Spiritual health ----it says Healing for the body as well as your spirit ------
Jesus took 39 Stripes on His back and the blood that was shed from there He purchased our Healing back -----Isaiah 53 read the Suffering Servant ------so you either believe the scripture or you don't ---you can't pick and choose what Scripture you want to believe and throw the rest out -----as God says His Complete Word is TRUTH ----
Strong's #4991:
soteria (pronounced so-tay-ree'-ah)
feminine of a derivative of 4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):--deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.
Salvation is a broader term in Greek than we often think of in English. Other concepts that are inherent in soteria include restoration to a state of safety, soundness, health and well being as well as preservation from danger of destruction.
sózó: to save--------Sozo is a Greek word meaning wholeness… • wholeness in spirit • wholeness in soul (mind, will, and emotions) • wholeness in body. It is complete healing for body, soul, and spirit.Sozo is a Greek word meaning wholeness… • wholeness in spirit • wholeness in soul (mind, will, and emotions) • wholeness in body. It is complete healing for body, soul, and spirit.
So anyone can argue this healing thing but you can't Change what is included in the package of Salvation ------as it says what it say ------all you can do is believe it and receive it ---or reject it ----
Jesus is our great Physician ------A RIPLEY"s Believe IT or NOT-----the scripture tells you how to obtain the Healing ------As pointed out ------WE ARE HEALED --Past Tense -----if you want to argue that --you need to talk to God about your unbelief ----cause Scripture is clear here -----
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After you can actually read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek, understand context, and the basic interpretive principle that you can't make a doctrine out of one word or verse, maybe we can really discuss Isaiah 53:5:d. It's not even one verse, but 1/4 of one verse, yet you pull a definition to "prove" your false doctrine!
Healing is not included in the atonement. Esp not an out of context, word study theology. I'll repost a thread a started here a few years ago. So tired of seeing people flog the dead horse.
Dead like Kenneth Hagin who was one of the chief propagandist for this lie in North America. He claimed he was healed of heart disease, but died of heart disease. Your theology is not just wrong, but evil, judgemental & condemning.
"There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Romans 8:1
Because, if you are a believer & don't get healed, then it is logical that you don't have enough faith. But if Jesus gives us our faith, what does that make Jesus? A liar, or not having enough power!
God does heal when it is his will. But never a part of the atonement. If it was a part of the atonement, then we would never die. One day, in our resurrected bodies, we will all be healed, and live forever. But, in our fallen bodies, people do get sick & die, including the most faithful of God's saints! Until then, this is just an over-realized eschatology. I'm waiting patiently for my glorified body, and ministering to the sick and disabled with love and compassion in the meantime! I'm not spreading lies about the theology of healing!
Besides, we have discussed this to death, already!! Try using the search function, before posting this nonsense.
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There were many at time of Christ who did not believe that God would heal them. The man at the pool of Bethesda is a good example and so is the man bind from birth. Yet Christ healed them. Martha and Mary did not believe that their brother would be resurrected. But were in for a big surprise. God does not have a cut and dried "formula".
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