Saved by faith alone?
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then your teaching a salvation of works.
which is a different gospel
The penalty of sin is death. the only thing that can pay for sin is death
you being immersed in water will not pay for your sin
you doing good works will not pay for your sin.
You are not relying in christ to save you, Your trying to help God. God does not need your help
which is a different gospel
The penalty of sin is death. the only thing that can pay for sin is death
you being immersed in water will not pay for your sin
you doing good works will not pay for your sin.
You are not relying in christ to save you, Your trying to help God. God does not need your help
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No, I think I do understand. My situation was a hypothetical one. If faith is all you need, then a person could do just that, and be saved.
Turns out, faith is NOT all you need..... it's back to my illustration of the guy on his roof in a flood....
God comes along in the boat to save him.... it's free salvation... doesn't cost anything.... someone else (Jesus) paid for the whole trip....
All the person has to do is climb into the boat.... but he says "NO, Lord..... I cannot do that, because that would be a WORK" The man fully believed he could be saved, but he refused to DO anything to enable it..... his acceptance of the free gift was to merely step into the boat... an act of faith and belief...
Would he be saved? Of course not.
Our salvation is paid for... it's free, but it requires us to step into the boat.... to appeal to God for that clear conscience, and to get forgiveness of sin.... it's just a step. Make it a "work", miss taking the step, miss the boat.
Turns out, faith is NOT all you need..... it's back to my illustration of the guy on his roof in a flood....
God comes along in the boat to save him.... it's free salvation... doesn't cost anything.... someone else (Jesus) paid for the whole trip....
All the person has to do is climb into the boat.... but he says "NO, Lord..... I cannot do that, because that would be a WORK" The man fully believed he could be saved, but he refused to DO anything to enable it..... his acceptance of the free gift was to merely step into the boat... an act of faith and belief...
Would he be saved? Of course not.
Our salvation is paid for... it's free, but it requires us to step into the boat.... to appeal to God for that clear conscience, and to get forgiveness of sin.... it's just a step. Make it a "work", miss taking the step, miss the boat.
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So if you think you do understand, I guess the above was simply your way of saying haha you are wrong.
I'm not interested. I did not say and neither has anyone else here said just believe and you are good to go.
Show me where anyone, anyone at all, said what you say we believe. It's baloney. Why do YOU folks make up things like that?
So either deal with what people, including myself, are actually saying, to show good faith in an actual conversation, or don't.
If you cannot do that, kindly understand I am not going to waste my time debating whether or not water saves. It doesn't. It does not wash away sin but if you use soap, then it does wash exterior dirt away.
I'm not interested. I did not say and neither has anyone else here said just believe and you are good to go.
Show me where anyone, anyone at all, said what you say we believe. It's baloney. Why do YOU folks make up things like that?
So either deal with what people, including myself, are actually saying, to show good faith in an actual conversation, or don't.
If you cannot do that, kindly understand I am not going to waste my time debating whether or not water saves. It doesn't. It does not wash away sin but if you use soap, then it does wash exterior dirt away.
This goes back to the previous verse...Acts 2:37. They had already believed and the evidence is that they heard the word...faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God....and were pricked in their heart.
But I don't want to be drawn back into this mess so I will just wish you the richest of blessings.
But I don't want to be drawn back into this mess so I will just wish you the richest of blessings.
