Have i committed the what is described in Hebrews 10:26 please any help would be appreciated

Jxy · Oct 14, 2020

So today i masturbated after being set free months ago and i know if i fought harder i could have overcome them these past 2 days i started getting sexual temptations in my mind and didnt want to sin but wanted the thoughts sometimes and probably willingly as well thought some of them and i knew it was a sin and i shouldnt do it and felt bad before i did it and i also struggle with weak faith and unbelief so yeah im just a case for nothing any help would be apperciated

tourist · Oct 14, 2020

Jxy said:

That is a very hard addiction to overcome and may prove to be quite a struggle to overcome but with God's help you can be delivered from it. Expect many setbacks but keep praying to be kept from temptation. What you are going through is quite common and please know that you are not alone in this type of struggle. Pray also for God to strengthen your faith. Hopefully, you will find comfort, support, and understanding from the members of this site. Glad to have you as part of our community. Welcome to CC.

soggykitten · Oct 14, 2020

Jxy said:

This being only your second post since joining, welcome to the forum.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+10&version=NET

That verse you refer to is meant to assure the saved of their eternal salvation in covenant with Christ. In other words, if a Christian sins once or multiple times they don't lose their Salvation. They don't go back to being that damned sinner. All that transpired when they accepted Christ and believed is not undone if the Christian sins afterward. Otherwise, if that did occur, in order to renounce those sins they'd have to crucify Christ all over again. So that he could once again take away their sins.

Once saved, always saved. No terms and conditions. Because Salvation is an irrevocable gift of God.

As to your particular transgression, maybe consider it to be like any addiction. You wouldn't want to keep on being an alcoholic would you? Or a heroine addict? Life takes discipline. If you don't want to do something, don't do it.

Blik · Oct 14, 2020

If you read those verses carefully it speaks of deliberant sin, sin we do not repent of. Your post explains your repentance. God will help you overcome, God loves and forgives.

Runningman · Oct 14, 2020

14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Hebrews 10:14

26For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:26

Both verses can't be true at the same time. People can't be perfect for all time by a single offering and then lose their sacrifice for sins after sinning again.

Hebrews 10:26 is talking about animal sacrifices.

4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Hebrews 10:4

10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:10

Always be sure to examine the full context of a chapter before making a hasty conclusion.

See the difference?

As a Christian man, or woman, if you sin then confess your trespasses against God in humble submission and don't do it again. I hope that helps. Take care and God bless.

Blackpowderduelist · Oct 14, 2020

No you have not. Don't let fear get ya down. You are secure I'm Christ. If we confess our sin he is just to forgive us.
It's good that you have a conscience against sin. Keep it up. Keep up the good fight

wattie · Oct 14, 2020

No longer a sacrifice..cant put Christ in the cross again to pay for sins again.. it's done and dusted.

Also it could mean animal sacrifice.. so you cant sacrifice bulls and goats etc.. after being saved to please God

Deuteronomy · Oct 14, 2020

Hello @Jxy, as for you committing the sin that those in Hebrews 10:26 were guilty of committing, no, I don't believe that you did. Their sin was the continual, willful rejection of Jesus Christ as their Messiah, even though they had been part of the 1st Century church and had been taught/had received the knowledge of the truth about exactly who He was. That's why the text tells us that no sacrifice for sins remained for them, because they had rejected the One and only sacrifice that was capable of saving them (they had trampled underfoot the Son of God and had regarded His blood, the blood of the covenant, as unclean .. Hebrews 10:29).

Here is the passage in case we want to refer to it again.

Hebrews 10

26 If we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.”

31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The other thing that I see @Blik just pointed out is this, you are grieved over your sin and wish to repent of it. Non-Christians don't do that (typically), unless they've committed a simply HORRIBLE sin, that is. So, as a Christian, you just need to do what the Bible tells you to do, 1. confess your sins to the Lord and ask Him to forgive you of them .. 1 John 1:9, and then 2. begin to resist temptation again (wherever it's coming from) by taking "captive"/refusing to accept any of the tempting thoughts/"flaming arrows" that come your way now and in the future (and give them over to the Lord Jesus to deal with instead) .. e.g. Psalm 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Corinthians 10:5; Ephesians 6:10-17; James 4:7.

And if you fall for the temptation again, confess your sin and ask to be forgiven again, and God will do so (because He promised us that He would).

And as @soggykitten pointed out, when you became a Christian, you were given ~eternal~ life, so while sinning may be a horrible and painful thing for us, we do not lose our salvation because of it .. e.g. John 5:24, 6:37-40, 10:27-28. The 1st Century Hebrew ~almost~ Christians (spoken of in Hebrews 10:26-31) had nothing to lose, because they were never saved to begin with (which is always the case for anyone who continually rejects the Savior, of course).

God bless you!

~Deut

Psalm 119:9,11

How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Thy word. Thy word I have ~treasured~ in my heart, that I may not sin against Thee.

Pink - not the absence of sin but the grieving over it.jpg

oyster67 · Oct 15, 2020

Jxy said:

Hebrews
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

I kind of doubt if you have committed the "unpardonable sin", but I commend you for striving to be Holy. It is a life long thing, this striving. Arriving is our reward. We will be glorified in the end.

My big battle is with picking my nose.

Godspeed, my brother/sister.

GraceAndTruth · Oct 15, 2020

Not to worry,...some day your twinkie will fall off and you won't have that problem anymore.

Adstar · Oct 15, 2020

Jxy said:

If you attest that your sin is sin then you accept Gods teaching on the matter.. Then you never sinned "Wilfully"....

Hebrews 10: KJV
"26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

Wilfull sin takes a wilfull in your face rebellious attitude against the standards of God.. Wilfull sin is not simply sinning.. It is rejecting the Will of God on the matter of that sin and being proud of ones sin..

GraceAndTruth · Oct 15, 2020

We used to get this kind of trolling all the time in AOL Christian chats........its a game called "shock the christians!"
Seems co-ved19 has kids at home with nothing to do and no supervision.

Corban · Oct 15, 2020

Let's try another way. Who can make a case, OUT OF SCRIPTURE, that masturbation is a sin. The Roman Catholic Church uses a completely wrong application of Genesis 38:9-10. It reads;

9 "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also."

This case was not about masturbation. God has made the earth for man. He commanded men to "multiply on the face of the earth". He blessed the Nations with fertility. He chose Abraham and his seed to be a special Nation, but also a great Nation - "as the sand of the sea shore". And He made a Law that covered the possibility of man losing his inheritance in the earth by a deadly accident. His brother must take the widow and give her offspring - not for HIM, but so that the dead brother's line still has their inheritance in the earth. Although the Law had not yet been given by Genesis 38, Onan knew God's wishes by conscience (Rom.2:12-14). Onan made a conscious effort to thwart God. He got his due. But the point is, Onan did not masturbate. He was with the woman and withdrew at the crucial moment - spilling his semen on the ground and thumbing his nose at Jehovah.

To my best knowledge (and I could be wrong), masturbation is not dealt with in the whole Bible. And if so, it is a tribute man's fallenness to make Laws that God did not, and then beat people with them. But maybe there is a reason, if not justification, for this law that is embraced by Christians. Before the fall, Adam and Eve were naked and it did not bother them. The problem with their mutual nakedness only sprang up after they had eaten of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It would seem that our sexual taboos stem from eating from the forbidden Tree. I do not deny them, and I do not recommend running around naked. But they do not come from God. We have eaten this deadly diet, and its effects have permeated us. But let us not add to the whole misery by making Laws that God did not.

Here we have a young Christian with normal, God-given sexual desires, and because he has done something that men have invented a law about through their disobedience, he is frightened about his salvation. Unless somebody can come up with a confirmed scriptural case to support the doctrine that masturbation is a sin, I suggest that we change our tone on this thread. Are we students of God's Word, or are we Pharisees that make God's Word of none effect through our Traditions? (Matt.15:6, etc.).

oyster67 · Oct 15, 2020

GraceAndTruth said:

One young man came to us and asked if he should whack it off... literally !

Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Corban · Oct 15, 2020

oyster67 said:

That's it. All we need now are the verses that brand it a offense. Adultery? Yes. Incest? Yes. Sodomy? Yes. Masturbating? ... well, let's wait and see what the students of scripture say ...

JaumeJ · Oct 15, 2020

Tararose · Oct 20, 2020

Corban said:

Not a topic I Personally feel a need to
Discuss At length with a male, and as there are plenty of guys here I can happily Leave that to you.
I just wanted to say that to my knowledge the only scriptural issue would be in “lusting” after someone who is not your spouse, (if you are) rather than carrying out the physical act. I have never seen any one prove otherwise clearly from the bible. That said, even the act itself is sin to you if you are convicted about it - and no one has the right to convince you otherwise.

karen0123 · Oct 20, 2020

Jxy said:

John 8 King James Version

8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Corban · Oct 21, 2020

Tararose said:

Not a topic I Personally feel a need to
Discuss At length with a male, and as there are plenty of guys here I can happily Leave that to you.
I just wanted to say that to my knowledge the only scriptural issue would be in “lusting” after someone who is not your spouse, (if you are) rather than carrying out the physical act. I have never seen any one prove otherwise clearly from the bible. That said, even the act itself is sin to you if you are convicted about it - and no one has the right to convince you otherwise.

Thank you. A well measured and mature answer.

Scripturalaccuracy · Jul 20, 2023

I am in the same boat of worrying about that and other similar passages in the Bible, because I too willingly did what I knew to be sin after having known the truth and accepted CHRIST ALMIGHTY as GOD and SAVIOR, but unlike most believers i am not one to sugar coat reality or lie to myself. These are the end times and the great tribulation is very near, but the great tribulation begins with the great apostasy or the great falling away of believers to a false "savior" or "god" or any falsehood at all that removes them from true Christianity, and already many if not most believers believe many falsehoods and heresies and cling to them vigorously and stubbornly because they are things they want to hear instead of what is real.

This situation is no different, notice how most people here tell you it's all going to be fine and surely you haven't lost Salvation and that the whole issue is either of small or no concern? This is because not one of them is willing to face the fact that willing sin after having known better and accepted Salvation is a very very severe sin for which maybe, just maybe, there is not any forgiveness. Now I am not 100% sure myself the final verdict about meaning of not only Hebrews 10:26 but also many other verses in the Word that state that willful sin is a very serious and dangerous thing.

Many people will tell you that 'once saved always save' but the contextual reading of the Bible makes it clear that this is NOT the case at all and that such thinking is highly heretical and unBiblical ear tickling. Also some others might tell you that Hebrews 10:26 is about animal sacrifice but that is just plain absurd as contextual reading makes it clear that it was referring to THE LORD's sacrifice that was being referred to. And still others have many absurd and unBiblical "explanations" all of which attempt to negate the idea that we can lose our Salvation from willfully sinning, but every one of them is 100%motivated by the desire to believe that by people who have all very likely willfully sinned and want to give themselves hope even at the expense of logic and actual doctrine.

I have been studying the Scriptures with extreme self honesty for well over 30 years and I understand the contextual meaning better than most seminary trained heretical "pastors" and I will tell you this much, that verse as well as a bunch of other verses that basically say the same thing mean either one of two things, either that any occasion of willful sin once one knows better and has accepted CHRIST ALMIGHTY is enough to cause them to lose their Salvation to the point they can never get it back because it falls into the category of unforgivable sin since it "does despite to THE SPIRIT of Grace" and CHRIST is not going to come down and go to the cross again to clean you a second time, especially of the unforgivable sin, or else it means maybe somehow, and believe me, this makes the least contextual sense, that if we will stop and repent again for real, that maybe there is still some hope for us, but as I say, contextually that is highly doubtful.

Ever notice how modern churches don't have any real miracles, just fake jibberish "speaking in tongues" that is not any language at all and is also not in any proper order or with any interpriters? Or how there is no true prophesy but rather fake prophets that act like psychic reader hotline script readers with the "I'm sensing there is someone in the audience wearing blue and they need..., blah blah blah" nothing specific or truly prophetic or readily visible to the congregation? Or how almost no pastors or believers at all study to understand the Word in context but rather dice it up into bite sized pieces that sound like a Hallmark cards and are either too lenient or too harsh and unrighteously judgemental? Or how many atheists claim they were "real Christians' but GOD would never talk to them so they decided HE "isn't real"? This is because very likely ALL these people willfully sinned and cut themselves off from CHRIST ALMIGHTY. But many still want to tell themselves they are Heaven-bound or otherwise in no spiritual danger, so just make up whatever they want to hear and rationalize it with mutual agreement and or whatever they want to hear, such as out of context bible verses and quotes of human "Bible scholars".

I don't want it to be true that people like myself can't be saved and are bound for hell, but unless there is some very specific contextual mystery which still eludes me that might just be the case. But we should never give up and always keep striving to be obedient and GODly (because contrary to what the OSAS heretics say, true faith requires actual obedience to be real) and carefully, with prayers for wisdom and understanding, study the Bible in context. because if there is any chance of still being let into Heaven that is the only way, and also because even if we will fail to get to Heaven we should still come as close as possible and try to obtain the least bad level of condemnation possible because believe me, no one can endure the pain and the further down one gets condemned due to the greater depth of sin, the more extreme the suffering.

The modern church is largely heretical and rapidly heading for apostasy, if you want any chance at all you will have to take your faith and understanding and obedience a LOT more seriously than they do.

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